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Apr 29 17:07:45 * daMaestro calls meeting to order
Apr 29 17:07:52 * daMaestro asks for role call
Apr 29 17:07:55 * daMaestro here
Apr 29 17:07:59 * Sonar_Guy here
Apr 29 17:08:01 <Corwyn> here
Apr 29 17:08:04 <Harley-D> me here
Apr 29 17:08:45 <daMaestro> Ok, welcome to the weekly Fedora Unity meeting; let's do the official stuff first:
Apr 29 17:09:01 <Corwyn> http://fedoraunity.org/fup/task-list
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> Priority 1
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> 1. Move Unity Sites to Dedicated Comercial Server
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: TBD
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> o NOTES: daMaestro will move all Unity sites to a dedicated comercial server. Details forthcoming.
Apr 29 17:09:18 <daMaestro> o 1: Investigate the cost of the move.
Apr 29 17:09:20 <daMaestro> o 2: Decide what needs to be moved.
Apr 29 17:09:22 <daMaestro> o 3: Implement a plan for the move and inform the community.
Apr 29 17:09:24 <daMaestro> o 4: Establish the jigdo server and hubs.
Apr 29 17:09:26 <daMaestro> o 5: Begin the migration at a scheduled date and time to be determined with item 3.
Apr 29 17:10:13 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:10:23 <EvilBob> Sorry I'm late
Apr 29 17:11:06 <daMaestro> Well, note 1) will cost nothing 2) this needs to be decided 3) the move should be able to happen behind the scene 4) working on it 5) asap? EOF
Apr 29 17:11:17 * daMaestro takes the floor, again ;-)
Apr 29 17:11:40 <daMaestro> 1) if we want a dedicated IP for fedora unity, it will cost me $10 one time; i will cover this charge EOF
Apr 29 17:12:25 <Corwyn> +1
Apr 29 17:12:27 <daMaestro> Should we wait for further discussion of this item untill open floor?
Apr 29 17:12:32 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:12:39 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:12:46 <EvilBob> How is this going to "cost nothing"
Apr 29 17:12:48 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:13:30 <daMaestro> Unity will be piggy-backing onto my existing dedicated server; this will be a temporary solution until we have a NPO that can "own" hardware to be colocated, etc. EOF
Apr 29 17:14:40 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:14:45 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:14:58 <EvilBob> Who is the provider blah blah blah
Apr 29 17:15:02 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:15:14 <Corwyn> !!!
Apr 29 17:15:37 <daMaestro> The provider is server pronto, a sub company to infolink http://infolink.com EOF
Apr 29 17:15:42 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:15:43 <Corwyn> I suggest that this part be discussed in open floor discussion.
Apr 29 17:15:46 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:15:47 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:15:52 <daMaestro> # Setup Non-Profit Organization
Apr 29 17:15:52 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 29 17:15:52 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Unity-Leaders
Apr 29 17:15:52 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Get the papers filed for setting up a non-profit organization for Fedora Unity. Andrea is pulling the paperwork and documentation together for this with Bob. Even if filed now, not expected to be approved before 01-JAN-2007. Bob is working on hiring someone to get this done. Waiting on word from lawyer.
Apr 29 17:15:55 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:16:18 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:16:19 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:16:26 <daMaestro> Is the major holdup on this funding? EOF
Apr 29 17:16:29 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:16:34 <EvilBob> No progress, lack of funds
Apr 29 17:16:37 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:16:40 <Corwyn> ?
Apr 29 17:16:46 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:16:56 <Corwyn> what are the costs needed to proceed on this?
Apr 29 17:16:57 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:17:09 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:17:54 <daMaestro> I think if we did most of the work ourselves; it would not be too expensive; we just need to find a probono lawyer to review the filing? Also, with some of my GSoC money I could look to get this done. EOF
Apr 29 17:18:10 <Corwyn> !
Apr 29 17:18:13 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:18:35 <Corwyn> does the lawyer need to be in a specific state or can we use any lawyer?
Apr 29 17:18:36 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:18:50 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:19:34 <daMaestro> I don't know if NPO laws differ between states enough for it to matter; but basically someone needs to take point on this; I might be able to do it, but would need more details as to what has been done so far; EOF
Apr 29 17:19:55 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:19:58 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:20:15 <EvilBob> Let's talk about this at the summit and report after
Apr 29 17:20:21 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:20:22 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:20:22 <Corwyn> !
Apr 29 17:20:26 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:20:49 <Corwyn> last comment, if needed, and if she can do it probono, I know a lawyer, I can see if she can help
Apr 29 17:20:50 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:20:57 <daMaestro> +!
Apr 29 17:21:01 <daMaestro> err.. +1 too
Apr 29 17:21:09 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:21:13 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:21:16 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:21:46 <EvilBob> Yeah my laywer looked and felt it was to far out of his scope of expertize
Apr 29 17:21:56 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:21:59 <daMaestro> # Create new content type for templates, other plone related
Apr 29 17:21:59 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 29 17:21:59 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:21:59 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Jon is working on this. Include Develop Unity workflow and state change notification. Edit Team needs to work with Server-Team to get this completed. updated the unity team tracker to include any notes Jon has.
Apr 29 17:22:12 <Corwyn> !
Apr 29 17:22:15 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:22:18 <daMaestro> !
Apr 29 17:22:30 <Corwyn> recommend we put this on the back burner until after Item 1 is completed
Apr 29 17:22:31 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:22:40 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:22:47 <daMaestro> Yes, this is basically what I would like to do.
Apr 29 17:22:54 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:22:54 <Corwyn> +1
Apr 29 17:22:58 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:23:11 <daMaestro> Also, it will be good to sync this task with my GSoC project; as they are very similar. EOF
Apr 29 17:23:14 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:23:22 <EvilBob> Does some of this tie in to the GSoC work you are doing?
Apr 29 17:23:28 <daMaestro> Yes.
Apr 29 17:23:34 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:24:22 <daMaestro> A majority of the work we want done with our plone stuff; I will be able to justify taking time to finish (and time off $work) due to the funding I will get from GSoC.
Apr 29 17:24:48 <daMaestro> # Automate testing of ISO's
Apr 29 17:24:48 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 29 17:24:48 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Testing-Team
Apr 29 17:24:48 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Create an automated testing process and scripts for the testing of respin ISO's. Script posted, needs more testing. Also needs Will Wood to go over script. Jigdo being worked out to provide a method of ftp or http download. Jon and Bob working with RHTS/Beaker for automated testing.
Apr 29 17:24:51 <daMaestro> !
Apr 29 17:24:58 * daMaestro gives daMaestro the floor!
Apr 29 17:24:59 <daMaestro> lol
Apr 29 17:25:45 <daMaestro> So, I think Xen is starting to really get there; I think everything could be scripted using Xen/KVM we just need to develop the test criteria
Apr 29 17:26:09 <daMaestro> this also involved a subcommity to be formed to outline and document what tests we run, and how they are to be ran.
Apr 29 17:26:28 <daMaestro> This will also allow me to script the automagic generation of bug reports to be filed against automated spins. EOF
Apr 29 17:27:01 <daMaestro> s/involved/involves/
Apr 29 17:27:19 <daMaestro> Are there any takers to lead this task?
Apr 29 17:27:32 <Corwyn> ?
Apr 29 17:27:43 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:27:47 <Corwyn> who's test team lead now?
Apr 29 17:27:50 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:28:16 <daMaestro> Last I knew Bob had this role, I don't know where things stand now.
Apr 29 17:28:40 <EvilBob> `I am
Apr 29 17:29:05 <EvilBob> I will get the bits documented
Apr 29 17:29:11 <daMaestro> EvilBob, Do you have the time to lead this task so we get a good list of tests to run against Re-Spins and how to run them?
Apr 29 17:29:34 <EvilBob> Will have time following the summit
Apr 29 17:29:38 <daMaestro> Ok.
Apr 29 17:29:42 <Corwyn> +1
Apr 29 17:29:53 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:29:54 * daMaestro moves we add another task for this item
Apr 29 17:30:10 <Corwyn> I'll take care of it
Apr 29 17:30:12 <daMaestro> ok
Apr 29 17:30:18 <daMaestro> 5. Back-ups!! Back-ups!! Back-ups!!
Apr 29 17:30:18 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: ON-GOING
Apr 29 17:30:18 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:30:18 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Perform Server Backups!!
Apr 29 17:30:22 <daMaestro> !
Apr 29 17:30:26 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:31:07 <daMaestro> I will be running a script I just wrote to do daily backups on my dedicated server; this will give us a good backup of all user data from within the VM, it might need some changes to get all of the Unity user data.
Apr 29 17:31:39 <daMaestro> EOF
Apr 29 17:31:46 <daMaestro> Priority 2
Apr 29 17:31:47 <daMaestro> 1. Draft a Backup Policy
Apr 29 17:31:47 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-29
Apr 29 17:31:47 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:31:47 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Draft a policy for backing up the servers and a disaster recovery plan. This needs to be in place and tested ASAP. Plan is in place, scripts still need testing. Backups being done manually for now, scripts still in process. Jon has a way to backup Zope DB live. VMWare backups still being scripted by Bob. Backups are working.
Apr 29 17:31:53 <daMaestro> ! && /me takes the floor
Apr 29 17:32:10 <daMaestro> I will be working on this pre migration to the dedicated server.
Apr 29 17:32:35 <daMaestro> I already have an automated daily backup system in place for that server; I would just need to add the Unity zope instance to the script.
Apr 29 17:33:12 <daMaestro> I will work to write up some formal documentation to be put on fedoraunity.org; or some place similar.
Apr 29 17:33:13 <daMaestro> EOF
Apr 29 17:33:23 <daMaestro> # Document Server configs and setup process
Apr 29 17:33:23 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-29
Apr 29 17:33:23 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:33:23 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Document all progress on the sites as this work is completed so we have the history! In Process on Gobby. Nothing new as of 3 Dec 2006. In process, security review being performed by Jon to be sure we are not putting Fedora Unity at risk.
Apr 29 17:34:11 <daMaestro> ! I think this is very inclusive of the previous task; I will try to put work into this also, things will be changing a lot with the migration, so I don't see a need to document our current setup. EOF
Apr 29 17:34:38 <daMaestro> !
Apr 29 17:34:43 <Corwyn> !
Apr 29 17:34:44 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:34:52 <daMaestro> :-P beat you Corwyn ;-)
Apr 29 17:35:32 <daMaestro> So, I think we should look into some sort of task/collaboration software other the poi; make it a private team site where we can assign tasks etc.
Apr 29 17:35:33 <daMaestro> EOF
Apr 29 17:35:38 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:35:39 <Corwyn> we will need some level of documentation after the server move and reconfiguration.
Apr 29 17:35:42 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:35:54 <daMaestro> I will be doing the documentation as part of the migration
Apr 29 17:35:59 <Corwyn> k
Apr 29 17:36:02 <Corwyn> !!!
Apr 29 17:36:06 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:36:11 <Corwyn> move to open the floor to discussion
Apr 29 17:36:14 * daMaestro opens the floor
Apr 29 17:36:17 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:36:33 <daMaestro> Ok, so we need a good way to assign tasks; even for new contributors
Apr 29 17:36:40 <Corwyn> I have 1 major point to make before we proceed
Apr 29 17:36:49 <daMaestro> It could be done with poi, but I never saw anyone using it beyond myself.
Apr 29 17:36:54 <daMaestro> Corwyn, go ahead
Apr 29 17:37:13 <Corwyn> I know things get tense here at times and we need to blow off steam...
Apr 29 17:37:30 <Corwyn> but some people are thinner skinned than others.
Apr 29 17:38:24 <Corwyn> I'd like to ask those with op rights in the channel to try to curb their humor a bit and choose their victims better. We are on the verge of losing Southern due to a joke kick.
Apr 29 17:39:09 <Corwyn> I'm as guilty as anyone, we're all in it together
Apr 29 17:39:18 <Corwyn> that's all
Apr 29 17:39:20 <EvilBob> No one should be kicking anyone as a joke IMO
Apr 29 17:39:48 <daMaestro> Yeah, ok fine. I wont screw around.
Apr 29 17:39:51 <Sonar_Guy> +1 and I have been guilty of this in the past!!
Apr 29 17:40:25 <Corwyn> shall we move on, we had some discussion regarding item 1 I believe
Apr 29 17:40:53 <daMaestro> Yes, I need input from all of you on what we should do.
Apr 29 17:40:56 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:41:42 <daMaestro> I guess I will just ask for votes on the following:
Apr 29 17:41:55 <daMaestro> Do we get a dedicated IP for use with Unity? (+$10 once)
Apr 29 17:41:56 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:42:14 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:42:30 <EvilBob> Hold on, who has made this decision that this is going to happen?
Apr 29 17:42:46 <Corwyn> +1
Apr 29 17:42:53 <Corwyn> Bob?
Apr 29 17:43:02 <Sonar_Guy> It was voted on in the last meeting.
Apr 29 17:43:19 <Corwyn> you mean that the sites are moving? Last week, the membership made the decision
Apr 29 17:43:28 <Corwyn> those that were here
Apr 29 17:43:54 <EvilBob> Gee guess I wasn't. perfect time for it I guess
Apr 29 17:44:04 <daMaestro> EvilBob, You are more then welcome to bring up any concerns.
Apr 29 17:44:12 <Corwyn> it wasn't planned that way, I assure you
Apr 29 17:45:19 <Corwyn> Bob, we have had a large problem. People were on the verge of quitting the project due to this and the loss of data. We're responsible to the project to do what's in the project's best interests and to the community.
Apr 29 17:45:37 <EvilBob> What ever
Apr 29 17:46:10 <Corwyn> please, state your thoughts and concerns
Apr 29 17:46:22 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:46:27 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:46:28 <EvilBob> I would think that I would at least be talked to before a coup was started
Apr 29 17:46:37 <EvilBob> but what ever
Apr 29 17:46:38 <Sonar_Guy> There is no coup.
Apr 29 17:46:43 <EvilBob> fuck you all
Apr 29 17:46:44 <Corwyn> there is no coup
Apr 29 17:46:53 <Sonar_Guy> nothing has changed as far as leadership
Apr 29 17:47:31 <Corwyn> it's not about us as individuals, it's about the project and the service to the community
Apr 29 17:47:40 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:49:27 <daMaestro> EvilBob, we have discussed this briefly, you and I; i thought you said you were ok with persuing a move to a different hosting arrangment as our primary server?
Apr 29 17:50:53 <daMaestro> kanarip has actually offered to buy a really nice server and get it colocated in the netherlands
Apr 29 17:50:56 <EvilBob> No, that is not the case, I was OK with us talking about it more
Apr 29 17:51:16 <daMaestro> ok, well nothing has been done to start the move, i have not even started planning it
Apr 29 17:51:29 <daMaestro> so, this is where we should talk about it more, to at least get some direction.
Apr 29 17:52:50 <EvilBob> what is to talk about? You seized the chance to move on this when I was not available, carry on
Apr 29 17:53:05 <daMaestro> The major issues I can see with using my dedicated server is there is no hardware redundancy, and no one to work on any issues with the physical compents (without costing me $75/half hour)
Apr 29 17:53:58 <Corwyn> Bob, it was brought up at the very first meeting after the last server crash, mostly because membership was planning to quit the project, which would have basically killed the project.
Apr 29 17:54:06 <Corwyn> I did try to page you to be there
Apr 29 17:54:33 <daMaestro> they will replace hardware for free; but i will get a wiped drive; this is why i am doing daily backups of that server
Apr 29 17:55:02 <Corwyn> we as the leaders of the project, you included, have a responsibility to the membership and the community we service.
Apr 29 17:55:07 * Daveman (n=dave@pool-141-150-73-250.mad.east.verizon.net) has joined #fedora-unity
Apr 29 17:56:18 <daMaestro> Ok, well I think a good plan to move forward on this item is for Sonar_Guy, EvilBob and myself to set aside time in San Deigo to work on this; we could include Corwyn via teleconfrence.
Apr 29 17:56:45 <Corwyn> I'm all for that, we need to discuss this
Apr 29 17:56:51 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:57:08 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:57:43 <daMaestro> I'm not hell bent on moving things to my server; nor moving things off the currrent hardware. We just need to find a better solution then what we have. If we have any more data loss, I would consider unity dead.
Apr 29 17:57:56 <Corwyn> it would have to be after 4 pm mdt if during the week, anytime on the weekend is fine though
Apr 29 17:58:12 <daMaestro> If I had worked on the workflow and we had this data loss, I would not be here today.
Apr 29 17:58:45 <daMaestro> I think this has been the *only* time my overloaded schedule has helped us :-)
Apr 29 17:59:49 * Corwyn moves to close the meeting
Apr 29 17:59:50 <Sonar_Guy> and there are no plans to change anything other than the server location. This is just to improve our services to the community, nothing else.
Apr 29 18:00:06 <daMaestro> +1 closing official meeting
Apr 29 18:00:12 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 18:00:17 * daMaestro calls this meeting to an end
Apr 29 17:07:52 * daMaestro asks for role call
Apr 29 17:07:55 * daMaestro here
Apr 29 17:07:59 * Sonar_Guy here
Apr 29 17:08:01 <Corwyn> here
Apr 29 17:08:04 <Harley-D> me here
Apr 29 17:08:45 <daMaestro> Ok, welcome to the weekly Fedora Unity meeting; let's do the official stuff first:
Apr 29 17:09:01 <Corwyn> http://fedoraunity.org/fup/task-list
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> Priority 1
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> 1. Move Unity Sites to Dedicated Comercial Server
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: TBD
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:09:16 <daMaestro> o NOTES: daMaestro will move all Unity sites to a dedicated comercial server. Details forthcoming.
Apr 29 17:09:18 <daMaestro> o 1: Investigate the cost of the move.
Apr 29 17:09:20 <daMaestro> o 2: Decide what needs to be moved.
Apr 29 17:09:22 <daMaestro> o 3: Implement a plan for the move and inform the community.
Apr 29 17:09:24 <daMaestro> o 4: Establish the jigdo server and hubs.
Apr 29 17:09:26 <daMaestro> o 5: Begin the migration at a scheduled date and time to be determined with item 3.
Apr 29 17:10:13 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:10:23 <EvilBob> Sorry I'm late
Apr 29 17:11:06 <daMaestro> Well, note 1) will cost nothing 2) this needs to be decided 3) the move should be able to happen behind the scene 4) working on it 5) asap? EOF
Apr 29 17:11:17 * daMaestro takes the floor, again ;-)
Apr 29 17:11:40 <daMaestro> 1) if we want a dedicated IP for fedora unity, it will cost me $10 one time; i will cover this charge EOF
Apr 29 17:12:25 <Corwyn> +1
Apr 29 17:12:27 <daMaestro> Should we wait for further discussion of this item untill open floor?
Apr 29 17:12:32 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:12:39 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:12:46 <EvilBob> How is this going to "cost nothing"
Apr 29 17:12:48 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:13:30 <daMaestro> Unity will be piggy-backing onto my existing dedicated server; this will be a temporary solution until we have a NPO that can "own" hardware to be colocated, etc. EOF
Apr 29 17:14:40 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:14:45 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:14:58 <EvilBob> Who is the provider blah blah blah
Apr 29 17:15:02 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:15:14 <Corwyn> !!!
Apr 29 17:15:37 <daMaestro> The provider is server pronto, a sub company to infolink http://infolink.com EOF
Apr 29 17:15:42 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:15:43 <Corwyn> I suggest that this part be discussed in open floor discussion.
Apr 29 17:15:46 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:15:47 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:15:52 <daMaestro> # Setup Non-Profit Organization
Apr 29 17:15:52 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 29 17:15:52 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Unity-Leaders
Apr 29 17:15:52 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Get the papers filed for setting up a non-profit organization for Fedora Unity. Andrea is pulling the paperwork and documentation together for this with Bob. Even if filed now, not expected to be approved before 01-JAN-2007. Bob is working on hiring someone to get this done. Waiting on word from lawyer.
Apr 29 17:15:55 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:16:18 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:16:19 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:16:26 <daMaestro> Is the major holdup on this funding? EOF
Apr 29 17:16:29 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:16:34 <EvilBob> No progress, lack of funds
Apr 29 17:16:37 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:16:40 <Corwyn> ?
Apr 29 17:16:46 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:16:56 <Corwyn> what are the costs needed to proceed on this?
Apr 29 17:16:57 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:17:09 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:17:54 <daMaestro> I think if we did most of the work ourselves; it would not be too expensive; we just need to find a probono lawyer to review the filing? Also, with some of my GSoC money I could look to get this done. EOF
Apr 29 17:18:10 <Corwyn> !
Apr 29 17:18:13 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:18:35 <Corwyn> does the lawyer need to be in a specific state or can we use any lawyer?
Apr 29 17:18:36 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:18:50 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:19:34 <daMaestro> I don't know if NPO laws differ between states enough for it to matter; but basically someone needs to take point on this; I might be able to do it, but would need more details as to what has been done so far; EOF
Apr 29 17:19:55 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:19:58 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:20:15 <EvilBob> Let's talk about this at the summit and report after
Apr 29 17:20:21 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:20:22 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:20:22 <Corwyn> !
Apr 29 17:20:26 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:20:49 <Corwyn> last comment, if needed, and if she can do it probono, I know a lawyer, I can see if she can help
Apr 29 17:20:50 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:20:57 <daMaestro> +!
Apr 29 17:21:01 <daMaestro> err.. +1 too
Apr 29 17:21:09 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:21:13 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:21:16 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:21:46 <EvilBob> Yeah my laywer looked and felt it was to far out of his scope of expertize
Apr 29 17:21:56 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:21:59 <daMaestro> # Create new content type for templates, other plone related
Apr 29 17:21:59 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 29 17:21:59 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:21:59 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Jon is working on this. Include Develop Unity workflow and state change notification. Edit Team needs to work with Server-Team to get this completed. updated the unity team tracker to include any notes Jon has.
Apr 29 17:22:12 <Corwyn> !
Apr 29 17:22:15 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:22:18 <daMaestro> !
Apr 29 17:22:30 <Corwyn> recommend we put this on the back burner until after Item 1 is completed
Apr 29 17:22:31 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:22:40 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:22:47 <daMaestro> Yes, this is basically what I would like to do.
Apr 29 17:22:54 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:22:54 <Corwyn> +1
Apr 29 17:22:58 <EvilBob> !
Apr 29 17:23:11 <daMaestro> Also, it will be good to sync this task with my GSoC project; as they are very similar. EOF
Apr 29 17:23:14 * daMaestro gives EvilBob the floor
Apr 29 17:23:22 <EvilBob> Does some of this tie in to the GSoC work you are doing?
Apr 29 17:23:28 <daMaestro> Yes.
Apr 29 17:23:34 <EvilBob> EOF
Apr 29 17:24:22 <daMaestro> A majority of the work we want done with our plone stuff; I will be able to justify taking time to finish (and time off $work) due to the funding I will get from GSoC.
Apr 29 17:24:48 <daMaestro> # Automate testing of ISO's
Apr 29 17:24:48 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-22
Apr 29 17:24:48 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Testing-Team
Apr 29 17:24:48 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Create an automated testing process and scripts for the testing of respin ISO's. Script posted, needs more testing. Also needs Will Wood to go over script. Jigdo being worked out to provide a method of ftp or http download. Jon and Bob working with RHTS/Beaker for automated testing.
Apr 29 17:24:51 <daMaestro> !
Apr 29 17:24:58 * daMaestro gives daMaestro the floor!
Apr 29 17:24:59 <daMaestro> lol
Apr 29 17:25:45 <daMaestro> So, I think Xen is starting to really get there; I think everything could be scripted using Xen/KVM we just need to develop the test criteria
Apr 29 17:26:09 <daMaestro> this also involved a subcommity to be formed to outline and document what tests we run, and how they are to be ran.
Apr 29 17:26:28 <daMaestro> This will also allow me to script the automagic generation of bug reports to be filed against automated spins. EOF
Apr 29 17:27:01 <daMaestro> s/involved/involves/
Apr 29 17:27:19 <daMaestro> Are there any takers to lead this task?
Apr 29 17:27:32 <Corwyn> ?
Apr 29 17:27:43 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:27:47 <Corwyn> who's test team lead now?
Apr 29 17:27:50 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:28:16 <daMaestro> Last I knew Bob had this role, I don't know where things stand now.
Apr 29 17:28:40 <EvilBob> `I am
Apr 29 17:29:05 <EvilBob> I will get the bits documented
Apr 29 17:29:11 <daMaestro> EvilBob, Do you have the time to lead this task so we get a good list of tests to run against Re-Spins and how to run them?
Apr 29 17:29:34 <EvilBob> Will have time following the summit
Apr 29 17:29:38 <daMaestro> Ok.
Apr 29 17:29:42 <Corwyn> +1
Apr 29 17:29:53 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:29:54 * daMaestro moves we add another task for this item
Apr 29 17:30:10 <Corwyn> I'll take care of it
Apr 29 17:30:12 <daMaestro> ok
Apr 29 17:30:18 <daMaestro> 5. Back-ups!! Back-ups!! Back-ups!!
Apr 29 17:30:18 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: ON-GOING
Apr 29 17:30:18 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:30:18 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Perform Server Backups!!
Apr 29 17:30:22 <daMaestro> !
Apr 29 17:30:26 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:31:07 <daMaestro> I will be running a script I just wrote to do daily backups on my dedicated server; this will give us a good backup of all user data from within the VM, it might need some changes to get all of the Unity user data.
Apr 29 17:31:39 <daMaestro> EOF
Apr 29 17:31:46 <daMaestro> Priority 2
Apr 29 17:31:47 <daMaestro> 1. Draft a Backup Policy
Apr 29 17:31:47 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-29
Apr 29 17:31:47 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:31:47 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Draft a policy for backing up the servers and a disaster recovery plan. This needs to be in place and tested ASAP. Plan is in place, scripts still need testing. Backups being done manually for now, scripts still in process. Jon has a way to backup Zope DB live. VMWare backups still being scripted by Bob. Backups are working.
Apr 29 17:31:53 <daMaestro> ! && /me takes the floor
Apr 29 17:32:10 <daMaestro> I will be working on this pre migration to the dedicated server.
Apr 29 17:32:35 <daMaestro> I already have an automated daily backup system in place for that server; I would just need to add the Unity zope instance to the script.
Apr 29 17:33:12 <daMaestro> I will work to write up some formal documentation to be put on fedoraunity.org; or some place similar.
Apr 29 17:33:13 <daMaestro> EOF
Apr 29 17:33:23 <daMaestro> # Document Server configs and setup process
Apr 29 17:33:23 <daMaestro> * DATE DUE: 2007-APR-29
Apr 29 17:33:23 <daMaestro> * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Apr 29 17:33:23 <daMaestro> o NOTES: Document all progress on the sites as this work is completed so we have the history! In Process on Gobby. Nothing new as of 3 Dec 2006. In process, security review being performed by Jon to be sure we are not putting Fedora Unity at risk.
Apr 29 17:34:11 <daMaestro> ! I think this is very inclusive of the previous task; I will try to put work into this also, things will be changing a lot with the migration, so I don't see a need to document our current setup. EOF
Apr 29 17:34:38 <daMaestro> !
Apr 29 17:34:43 <Corwyn> !
Apr 29 17:34:44 * daMaestro takes the floor
Apr 29 17:34:52 <daMaestro> :-P beat you Corwyn ;-)
Apr 29 17:35:32 <daMaestro> So, I think we should look into some sort of task/collaboration software other the poi; make it a private team site where we can assign tasks etc.
Apr 29 17:35:33 <daMaestro> EOF
Apr 29 17:35:38 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:35:39 <Corwyn> we will need some level of documentation after the server move and reconfiguration.
Apr 29 17:35:42 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:35:54 <daMaestro> I will be doing the documentation as part of the migration
Apr 29 17:35:59 <Corwyn> k
Apr 29 17:36:02 <Corwyn> !!!
Apr 29 17:36:06 * daMaestro gives Corwyn the floor
Apr 29 17:36:11 <Corwyn> move to open the floor to discussion
Apr 29 17:36:14 * daMaestro opens the floor
Apr 29 17:36:17 <Corwyn> eof
Apr 29 17:36:33 <daMaestro> Ok, so we need a good way to assign tasks; even for new contributors
Apr 29 17:36:40 <Corwyn> I have 1 major point to make before we proceed
Apr 29 17:36:49 <daMaestro> It could be done with poi, but I never saw anyone using it beyond myself.
Apr 29 17:36:54 <daMaestro> Corwyn, go ahead
Apr 29 17:37:13 <Corwyn> I know things get tense here at times and we need to blow off steam...
Apr 29 17:37:30 <Corwyn> but some people are thinner skinned than others.
Apr 29 17:38:24 <Corwyn> I'd like to ask those with op rights in the channel to try to curb their humor a bit and choose their victims better. We are on the verge of losing Southern due to a joke kick.
Apr 29 17:39:09 <Corwyn> I'm as guilty as anyone, we're all in it together
Apr 29 17:39:18 <Corwyn> that's all
Apr 29 17:39:20 <EvilBob> No one should be kicking anyone as a joke IMO
Apr 29 17:39:48 <daMaestro> Yeah, ok fine. I wont screw around.
Apr 29 17:39:51 <Sonar_Guy> +1 and I have been guilty of this in the past!!
Apr 29 17:40:25 <Corwyn> shall we move on, we had some discussion regarding item 1 I believe
Apr 29 17:40:53 <daMaestro> Yes, I need input from all of you on what we should do.
Apr 29 17:40:56 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:41:42 <daMaestro> I guess I will just ask for votes on the following:
Apr 29 17:41:55 <daMaestro> Do we get a dedicated IP for use with Unity? (+$10 once)
Apr 29 17:41:56 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:42:14 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:42:30 <EvilBob> Hold on, who has made this decision that this is going to happen?
Apr 29 17:42:46 <Corwyn> +1
Apr 29 17:42:53 <Corwyn> Bob?
Apr 29 17:43:02 <Sonar_Guy> It was voted on in the last meeting.
Apr 29 17:43:19 <Corwyn> you mean that the sites are moving? Last week, the membership made the decision
Apr 29 17:43:28 <Corwyn> those that were here
Apr 29 17:43:54 <EvilBob> Gee guess I wasn't. perfect time for it I guess
Apr 29 17:44:04 <daMaestro> EvilBob, You are more then welcome to bring up any concerns.
Apr 29 17:44:12 <Corwyn> it wasn't planned that way, I assure you
Apr 29 17:45:19 <Corwyn> Bob, we have had a large problem. People were on the verge of quitting the project due to this and the loss of data. We're responsible to the project to do what's in the project's best interests and to the community.
Apr 29 17:45:37 <EvilBob> What ever
Apr 29 17:46:10 <Corwyn> please, state your thoughts and concerns
Apr 29 17:46:22 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:46:27 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:46:28 <EvilBob> I would think that I would at least be talked to before a coup was started
Apr 29 17:46:37 <EvilBob> but what ever
Apr 29 17:46:38 <Sonar_Guy> There is no coup.
Apr 29 17:46:43 <EvilBob> fuck you all
Apr 29 17:46:44 <Corwyn> there is no coup
Apr 29 17:46:53 <Sonar_Guy> nothing has changed as far as leadership
Apr 29 17:47:31 <Corwyn> it's not about us as individuals, it's about the project and the service to the community
Apr 29 17:47:40 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:49:27 <daMaestro> EvilBob, we have discussed this briefly, you and I; i thought you said you were ok with persuing a move to a different hosting arrangment as our primary server?
Apr 29 17:50:53 <daMaestro> kanarip has actually offered to buy a really nice server and get it colocated in the netherlands
Apr 29 17:50:56 <EvilBob> No, that is not the case, I was OK with us talking about it more
Apr 29 17:51:16 <daMaestro> ok, well nothing has been done to start the move, i have not even started planning it
Apr 29 17:51:29 <daMaestro> so, this is where we should talk about it more, to at least get some direction.
Apr 29 17:52:50 <EvilBob> what is to talk about? You seized the chance to move on this when I was not available, carry on
Apr 29 17:53:05 <daMaestro> The major issues I can see with using my dedicated server is there is no hardware redundancy, and no one to work on any issues with the physical compents (without costing me $75/half hour)
Apr 29 17:53:58 <Corwyn> Bob, it was brought up at the very first meeting after the last server crash, mostly because membership was planning to quit the project, which would have basically killed the project.
Apr 29 17:54:06 <Corwyn> I did try to page you to be there
Apr 29 17:54:33 <daMaestro> they will replace hardware for free; but i will get a wiped drive; this is why i am doing daily backups of that server
Apr 29 17:55:02 <Corwyn> we as the leaders of the project, you included, have a responsibility to the membership and the community we service.
Apr 29 17:55:07 * Daveman (n=dave@pool-141-150-73-250.mad.east.verizon.net) has joined #fedora-unity
Apr 29 17:56:18 <daMaestro> Ok, well I think a good plan to move forward on this item is for Sonar_Guy, EvilBob and myself to set aside time in San Deigo to work on this; we could include Corwyn via teleconfrence.
Apr 29 17:56:45 <Corwyn> I'm all for that, we need to discuss this
Apr 29 17:56:51 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 17:57:08 <daMaestro> +1
Apr 29 17:57:43 <daMaestro> I'm not hell bent on moving things to my server; nor moving things off the currrent hardware. We just need to find a better solution then what we have. If we have any more data loss, I would consider unity dead.
Apr 29 17:57:56 <Corwyn> it would have to be after 4 pm mdt if during the week, anytime on the weekend is fine though
Apr 29 17:58:12 <daMaestro> If I had worked on the workflow and we had this data loss, I would not be here today.
Apr 29 17:58:45 <daMaestro> I think this has been the *only* time my overloaded schedule has helped us :-)
Apr 29 17:59:49 * Corwyn moves to close the meeting
Apr 29 17:59:50 <Sonar_Guy> and there are no plans to change anything other than the server location. This is just to improve our services to the community, nothing else.
Apr 29 18:00:06 <daMaestro> +1 closing official meeting
Apr 29 18:00:12 <Sonar_Guy> +1
Apr 29 18:00:17 * daMaestro calls this meeting to an end
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