Meeting Minutes for 25 February 2007

Feb 25 19:07:15 *    Corwyn Calls the meeting or order
Feb 25 19:07:24 <daMaestro>    ! pizza
Feb 25 19:07:26 <Corwyn>    task list: http://fedoraunity.org/fup/task-list/edit
Feb 25 19:07:54 <Corwyn>    1: Draft a Backup Policy
Feb 25 19:07:54 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-FEB-25
Feb 25 19:07:54 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Feb 25 19:07:54 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Draft a policy for backing up the servers and a disaster recovery plan. This needs to be in place and tested ASAP. Plan is in place, scripts still need testing. Backups being done manually for now, scripts still in process. Jon has a way to backup Zope DB live. VMWare backups still being scripted by Bob. Backups are working.
Feb 25 19:08:09 <daMaestro>    !
Feb 25 19:08:16 *    Corwyn gives daMaestro the floor
Feb 25 19:08:25 <daMaestro>    Dirty Laundry Time:\
Feb 25 19:08:33 <daMaestro>    a) nothing is scripted yet
Feb 25 19:08:45 <Bob-Laptop>    !
Feb 25 19:08:51 <daMaestro>    b) i've only "thought" about the policy, nothing has been written up
Feb 25 19:09:12 <daMaestro>    c) i've been distracted by other things.
Feb 25 19:09:29 <daMaestro>    d) I welcome any proposals, but the current idea is as follows:
Feb 25 19:09:52 <daMaestro>    - script the backup of the zope database and plone products daily (cronjob)
Feb 25 19:10:05 <daMaestro>    this will include an offsite scp to my backup server
Feb 25 19:10:27 <daMaestro>    - weekly we do a full VM backup, which at this time requires us to turn off unity01 (need to find something better)
Feb 25 19:10:45 <daMaestro>    - any major config changes require a vmware snapshot
Feb 25 19:11:16 <daMaestro>    - bob keeps the last two full vm backups (2 weeks) on another server (different hardware, i think this is possbile)
Feb 25 19:11:17 <daMaestro>    EOF
Feb 25 19:12:20 <Corwyn>    2: Document Server configs and setup process
Feb 25 19:12:20 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-FEB-25
Feb 25 19:12:20 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Feb 25 19:12:20 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Document all progress on the sites as this work is completed so we have the history! In Process on Gobby. Nothing new as of 3 Dec 2006. In process, security review being performed by Jon to be sure we are not putting Fedora Unity at risk.
Feb 25 19:12:23 <Bob-Laptop>    Kanarip is working on cleaning up the scripts that Scott wrote, I don't have an update from him. He is still waiting for a net connection at home. EOF
Feb 25 19:12:31 <Bob-Laptop>    see my ! ^
Feb 25 19:12:37 <Corwyn>    <<sorry>>
Feb 25 19:12:37 <daMaestro>    Bob-Laptop, lol
Feb 25 19:12:42 <Corwyn>    <<my bad>>
Feb 25 19:12:45 <daMaestro>    !
Feb 25 19:12:52 *    Corwyn gives daMaestro the floor
Feb 25 19:13:27 <daMaestro>    No Progress. I still dispute the priority on this item, however, will work on it.
Feb 25 19:13:29 <daMaestro>    EOF
Feb 25 19:13:45 <Bob-Laptop>    !
Feb 25 19:13:56 *    Corwyn gives Bob-Laptop the floor
Feb 25 19:14:18 <Bob-Laptop>    I think the main thing is to just list what we need to do in a worst case situation
Feb 25 19:14:25 <daMaestro>    !
Feb 25 19:14:41 <Bob-Laptop>    We are getting back ups of unity01
Feb 25 19:14:54 <Bob-Laptop>    Not sure what else we would need other than that
Feb 25 19:14:57 <Bob-Laptop>    EOF
Feb 25 19:14:59 *    Corwyn gives daMaestro the floor
Feb 25 19:15:02 <daMaestro>    problem is that is dictated by the situation, all that i plan to do for this item is a network layout and description of services EOF
Feb 25 19:15:48 <Corwyn>    3: Setup Non-Profit Organization
Feb 25 19:15:48 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-FEB-25
Feb 25 19:15:48 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Unity-Leaders
Feb 25 19:15:48 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Get the papers filed for setting up a non-profit organization for Fedora Unity. Andrea is pulling the paperwork and documentation together for this with Bob. Even if filed now, not expected to be approved before 01-JAN-2007. Bob is working on hiring someone to get this done. Waiting on word from lawyer.
Feb 25 19:16:15 <daMaestro>    !
Feb 25 19:16:22 *    Corwyn gives daMaestro the floor
Feb 25 19:16:22 <Bob-Laptop>    !
Feb 25 19:16:34 <daMaestro>    I don't see how item 2 is a higher priority then this. Just my comment. EOF
Feb 25 19:16:43 <Bob-Laptop>    !
Feb 25 19:16:50 *    Corwyn gives Bob-Laptop the floor
Feb 25 19:17:22 <Bob-Laptop>    Items are not listed by priority, have not been in a long while
Feb 25 19:17:34 <Bob-Laptop>    they are just on the list
Feb 25 19:17:55 <daMaestro>    ok
Feb 25 19:18:29 <Bob-Laptop>    the NPO, I had to cancel an appointment with a lawyer aboutt he NPO this week because of work
Feb 25 19:18:39 <daMaestro>    !
Feb 25 19:18:52 <Bob-Laptop>    It has not been rescheduled
Feb 25 19:19:05 <Bob-Laptop>    I will get a new appointment set this week
Feb 25 19:19:09 <Bob-Laptop>    EOF
Feb 25 19:19:10 *    Corwyn gives daMaestro the floor
Feb 25 19:19:15 <daMaestro>    We need to find someone to do this "pro-bono" (sp)... maybe RH can loan us a lawyer for a day. EOF
Feb 25 19:19:38 <Bob-Laptop>    !
Feb 25 19:19:43 *    Corwyn gives Bob-Laptop the floor
Feb 25 19:20:05 <Bob-Laptop>    There are a couple options I am trying to follow up on after FUDCon but have not had the time this week
Feb 25 19:20:22 <Bob-Laptop>    EOF
Feb 25 19:20:37 <Corwyn>    4: Create new content type for templates, other plone related
Feb 25 19:20:37 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-FEB-25
Feb 25 19:20:37 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Feb 25 19:20:37 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Jon is working on this. Include Develop Unity workflow and state change notification. Edit Team needs to work with Server-Team to get this completed. updated the unity team tracker to include any notes Jon has.
Feb 25 19:21:16 <daMaestro>    !
Feb 25 19:21:23 *    Corwyn gives daMaestro the floor
Feb 25 19:21:39 <daMaestro>    http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/7 http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/2 EOF
Feb 25 19:22:33 <Corwyn>    these are in progress
Feb 25 19:22:57 <daMaestro>    Please add progress information to those bugs.
Feb 25 19:23:13 <Corwyn>    5: Automate testing of ISO's
Feb 25 19:23:13 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: 2007-FEB-25
Feb 25 19:23:13 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Testing-Team
Feb 25 19:23:13 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Create an automated testing process and scripts for the testing of respin ISO's. Script posted, needs more testing. Also needs Will Wood to go over script. Jigdo being worked out to provide a method of ftp or http download. Jon and Bob working with RHTS/Beaker for automated testing.
Feb 25 19:23:38 <Bob-Laptop>    !
Feb 25 19:23:39 <daMaestro>    !
Feb 25 19:23:45 *    Corwyn gives Bob-Laptop the floor
Feb 25 19:24:17 <Bob-Laptop>    kanarip made progress on this, there is also been progress in the area with in the formal Fedora Project this week
Feb 25 19:24:20 <Bob-Laptop>    EOF
Feb 25 19:24:37 *    Corwyn gives daMaestro the floor
Feb 25 19:24:38 <daMaestro>    Progress needs to be added to: http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/6 EOF
Feb 25 19:26:04 <Corwyn>    6: Back-ups!! Back-ups!! Back-ups!!
Feb 25 19:26:04 <Corwyn>        * DATE DUE: ON-GOING
Feb 25 19:26:04 <Corwyn>        * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Feb 25 19:26:04 <Corwyn>              o NOTES: Perform Server Backups!!
Feb 25 19:26:21 <Daveman>    Mmm... that's good spam.
Feb 25 19:26:27 *    daMaestro moves to open the floor
Feb 25 19:26:34 *    ChanServ gives channel operator status to daMaestro
Feb 25 19:26:49 *    Corwyn Opens the floor to discussion
Feb 25 19:26:54 *    daMaestro removes channel operator status from daMaestro
Feb 25 19:27:09 <daMaestro>    http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/8 http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/content-bugs/12 are important
Feb 25 19:27:41 <daMaestro>    Please file a RFA on the server bugs tracker so you will be given access/added to a tracker so bugs can be assigned to you.
Feb 25 19:27:51 <daMaestro>    If you have access already, please just add yourself to the tracker.
Feb 25 19:28:26 <daMaestro>    We need to be more transparent on how to get involved with Fedora Unity.
Feb 25 19:28:51 <daMaestro>    I don't have time to write this up, but might find time and will list my progress in the bug report.
Feb 25 19:29:11 <daMaestro>    People should take ownership of bugs as they work on things.. and progress the states accordingly.
Feb 25 19:29:34 <Corwyn>    agreed
Feb 25 19:29:42 <daMaestro>    Once you are given access to a bug tracker, you are welcome to make changes to the available states, etc, to fufill the needs of the project(s).
Feb 25 19:30:48 <daMaestro>    Corwyn and I have mad good progress on the workflow proposal.
Feb 25 19:31:04 <Corwyn>    couldn't have done it without daMaestro
Feb 25 19:31:15 <daMaestro>    I expect to be able to get it working here soon, once it passes final read by the founders and the team Leads.
Feb 25 19:31:18 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, yea yea
Feb 25 19:31:21 <Corwyn>    :)
Feb 25 19:31:29 <daMaestro>    It was a PITA, that is why i dumped it on you.
Feb 25 19:31:50 <Corwyn>    but it's definately taking shape
Feb 25 19:31:58 <daMaestro>    I didn't want to "just do it," because I'm not going to do it twice.
Feb 25 19:32:24 <daMaestro>    http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/9
Feb 25 19:32:29 <Corwyn>    no, it needs to be done right
Feb 25 19:32:44 <daMaestro>    For those that don't watch their email, have not had time, or just have not wanted to:
Feb 25 19:32:58 <daMaestro>    Please review those plone products. I think they will serve us well.
Feb 25 19:33:16 <daMaestro>    I would like to propose removing CMFEdtions from our sites for the time being.
Feb 25 19:33:32 <Corwyn>    what will removing it do?
Feb 25 19:33:56 <daMaestro>    Clean up the mess and then try out the newest CMFEdtions and StagingAddOn and see what is better.
Feb 25 19:34:17 <Corwyn>    +1
Feb 25 19:34:21 <daMaestro>    My thoughts are (after listening to the Content and Edit teams) that we use StagingAddOn.
Feb 25 19:34:33 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, I'd just like to start from a fresh point.
Feb 25 19:34:43 <Corwyn>    ok
Feb 25 19:34:51 <Corwyn>    as far as I'm concerned, go for it
Feb 25 19:34:54 <daMaestro>    I've not been enforcing versions because I had already suspected CMFEditions might go away, or need to be upgraded.
Feb 25 19:35:19 <Corwyn>    we need to check with the other leaders though, get their approval as well
Feb 25 19:35:52 <Corwyn>    I see no reason, though, that they'd not approve it
Feb 25 19:36:34 <daMaestro>    CMFEditions 1.0rc1 (what we are using) is supposed to migrate to CMFEdtions 1.1... but who knows.
Feb 25 19:37:01 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, After our discussion, I think CMFEditions is lacking the features your team wants.
Feb 25 19:37:11 <Corwyn>    ok
Feb 25 19:37:29 <daMaestro>    Without hacking on CMFEdtions (leaving upstream... ewww,) it wont do what we want. AFAICT
Feb 25 19:37:41 <Corwyn>    I defer to your judgement on it, as you know the products best
Feb 25 19:37:54 <daMaestro>    Staging should be default in Plone 3.0, but I don't know when that is slated to come out.
Feb 25 19:38:25 <daMaestro>    New topic, Quills (blogging):
Feb 25 19:38:52 <daMaestro>    http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/server-bugs/3
Feb 25 19:38:56 <daMaestro>    http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/1
Feb 25 19:39:25 <daMaestro>    I tried to contact the Author(s) about 1.6. Have never heard back.
Feb 25 19:39:40 <daMaestro>    http://plone.org/products/quills
Feb 25 19:40:20 <Corwyn>    do we want to use a product that the author doesn't respond to inquiries?
Feb 25 19:40:38 <daMaestro>    As best as I can tell, it is *the* product to use for blogging.
Feb 25 19:40:52 <daMaestro>    Give me a moment to check on the other products I have reviewed in the past.
Feb 25 19:40:56 <Corwyn>    but is it current and being developed?
Feb 25 19:41:06 <daMaestro>    http://plone.org/products/by-category/weblogs
Feb 25 19:41:11 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, yes.. it is active.
Feb 25 19:41:14 <Corwyn>    ok
Feb 25 19:41:36 <daMaestro>    SimpleBlog.. is too... simple.
Feb 25 19:42:21 <Corwyn>    Is there anything else tonight?
Feb 25 19:42:37 <daMaestro>    If you look through the options.. they are all still 'beta' or worse.
Feb 25 19:42:50 <daMaestro>    Could we call a vote for Quills?
Feb 25 19:43:11 <daMaestro>    Go with Quills 1.5rc3? (even if it does not support the API I have been waiting for)
Feb 25 19:43:13 <daMaestro>    +1
Feb 25 19:43:15 <Bob-Laptop>    I have been +10 for months
Feb 25 19:43:34 *    Corwyn moves to hold off a vote this week until the rest of the team has had a chance to look into it, have a vote on Mar 04
Feb 25 19:43:45 <daMaestro>    Bob-Laptop, If you were going to support it and fix it when it was b0rked, I would have installed it a long time ago.
Feb 25 19:43:48 *    Southern_Gentlem will not be here
Feb 25 19:44:07 <daMaestro>    Hmm.. well it is installed.. but just not working.
Feb 25 19:44:30 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, i'm fine with that. We could use our test site again and see if the new RC is any better.
Feb 25 19:44:42 <Corwyn>    +1
Feb 25 19:44:49 <Southern_Gentlem>    daMaestro,  i think that would be for the best
Feb 25 19:44:49 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, the main reason I have held off is because I would like some sort of blogging API....
Feb 25 19:45:01 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, wait till Mar 04?
Feb 25 19:45:48 <Corwyn>    I'd say go for the testing process, so we have more information on Mar 04 and have a vote then, too few here tonight to make a decision of this magnatude
Feb 25 19:46:27 <Corwyn>    please e-mail the list with the proposal though, so people are aware of it
Feb 25 19:46:33 <daMaestro>    OK, I will snapshot Unity01.. remove the plone products we are not using (leaving CMFEdtions for now) and then try the new Quills.
Feb 25 19:46:41 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, it is on the team tracker.
Feb 25 19:46:46 <Corwyn>    ok
Feb 25 19:46:49 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, That automagically mails people.
Feb 25 19:47:06 <daMaestro>    Oh, I have one more item.
Feb 25 19:47:26 <Corwyn>    ok
Feb 25 19:47:27 <daMaestro>    I have set the content bugs tracker to mail both the content-team and edit-team lists.
Feb 25 19:47:39 <Corwyn>    I've noticed
Feb 25 19:47:46 <daMaestro>    Please let me know if this is an issue, and no Bob, you don't get a say in it..
Feb 25 19:47:47 <daMaestro>    lol
Feb 25 19:48:01 <Bob-Laptop>    lol
Feb 25 19:48:04 <Corwyn>    I have no problem with it
Feb 25 19:48:10 *    daMaestro notes Bob has already complained about double mailing.
Feb 25 19:48:14 <daMaestro>    :-P
Feb 25 19:48:16 <Corwyn>    my only concern is, is Scott getting the e-mails
Feb 25 19:48:24 <Corwyn>    he said he wasn't for some reason
Feb 25 19:48:31 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, If he is on the content-team mailing list, yes.
Feb 25 19:48:48 <daMaestro>    Well, he needs to check his subscription.
Feb 25 19:49:03 <daMaestro>    Oh, and yet another item.
Feb 25 19:49:04 <Corwyn>    I'll check with him, he said he wasn't getting the mailings
Feb 25 19:49:19 <daMaestro>    I can now give the Team Leaders a password for managing their respective mailing lists.
Feb 25 19:49:37 <daMaestro>    I found out I can set an all access password.
Feb 25 19:50:06 <daMaestro>    I will add a bug about that now.
Feb 25 19:50:40 <Corwyn>    that would mean that the respective team leaders need to get the e-mails necessary to notify them when their attention is needed for managing their list
Feb 25 19:50:55 <Corwyn>    ie: someone joining and needing to be approved
Feb 25 19:51:34 <daMaestro>    http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/unity-team-tasks/10
Feb 25 19:51:44 <Corwyn>    I'll be happy to manage the Edit-team list
Feb 25 19:51:49 <daMaestro>    Corwyn, correct.
Feb 25 19:52:28 <daMaestro>    I think that is all I have.
Feb 25 19:52:44 <Corwyn>    anyone else?
Feb 25 19:53:15 *    Corwyn calls this weeks meeting to a close. Thank you all for attending