Meeting Minutes for 26 March 2006

Mar 26 21:04:46 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order. Thank you to all that attended.
Mar 26 21:04:50 r4zz    gmail I think takes no more than 10MB attachments I think
Mar 26 21:04:57 Sonar_Guy    100mb
Mar 26 21:05:01 EvilBob    Shut up and toe the line or Sonar_Gal will cut it off
Mar 26 21:05:13 r4zz    wow
Mar 26 21:05:16 r4zz    cool :D
Mar 26 21:05:17 *    Sonar_Guy behaves.
Mar 26 21:05:42 Sonar_Gal    Topics for tonight.
Mar 26 21:06:11 Sonar_Gal    DaMaestro's migration of Search to our sites.
Mar 26 21:06:36 r4zz    I'll clean up the order and then send them, a few are out of order :P
Mar 26 21:06:36 Sonar_Gal    And I guess that's all of the major talk tonight
Mar 26 21:07:39 Sonar_Guy    !
Mar 26 21:07:59 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Mar 26 21:09:06 *    EvilBob gives Sonar_Guy the finger
Mar 26 21:10:08 Sonar_Guy    Ok, I asked damaestro about migrating the search engine to one of our servers to be incorporated to one of the sites and he had some questions. I wish
Mar 26 21:10:37 Sonar_Guy    he was here to ask them, but since he is not here is the gist of the converstation.
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:31:15 Sonar_Guy    What hardware would you recommend for a dedicated indexer?
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:32:27 Sonar_Guy    does it need lots of power or just a big pipe to connect to the net?
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:32:47 daMaestro    3 at this time.. one quad ppro 200s with 2G of ECC ram that runs some indexers (this also runs my perl learning software), the main server (cache and search daemons) 1.2G athon with 1.5G of RAM, and the frontend with one indexer is on a dual PIII 550 with a gig of ram
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:32:59 daMaestro    the net is pretty much trivial
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:33:22 daMaestro    but I do have 10mbit
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:33:26 daMaestro    so I dunno..
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:33:40 daMaestro    the frontend could run on the zope server.. as it is just CGI
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:33:48 daMaestro    *or we could use the apache module*
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:34:00 r4zz    do gdesklets hog up cpu and ram like konfabulator for windows did?
Mar 26 21:11:17 Sonar_Guy    Mar 25 21:34:02 Sonar_Guy    Those specs should not be to off the wall for Bob, he most likely has that hardware available.
Mar 26 21:12:04 Sonar_Guy    The question is what do you have for an indexer/cache server hardware wise that could support this?
Mar 26 21:12:16 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Mar 26 21:15:07 EvilBob    I dunno, Iwill have t see what we can handle, I have no problem with dam hostingthe search part
Mar 26 21:15:50 EvilBob    oops
Mar 26 21:16:15 Sonar_Gal    lol
Mar 26 21:16:16 EvilBob    sorry I was off line for a few minutes there
Mar 26 21:16:26 EvilBob    onar_Guy EOF
Mar 26 21:16:26 EvilBob    EvilBob I dunno, Iwill have t see what we can handle, I have no problem with dam hostingthe search part
Mar 26 21:16:26 EvilBob    EvilBob oops
Mar 26 21:16:26 EvilBob    Sonar_Gal lol
Mar 26 21:16:41 EvilBob    EOF
Mar 26 21:16:59 *    Sonar_Gal now opens the floor
Mar 26 21:17:43 *    r4zz slips on the floor
Mar 26 21:18:01 EvilBob    FWIW, damaestro's projects are really cool
Mar 26 21:18:28 EvilBob    we just need to help keep him focused on moving things in to Unity as they mature
Mar 26 21:18:31 Sonar_Guy    I was thinking that it could be even possible to have the indexer/cache server seperate from the front end, and we just host the front end that connects to those if possible.
Mar 26 21:18:44 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: +1
Mar 26 21:19:06 Sonar_Guy    EvilBob: that is not an issue, I can assist in his task management.  Keep him on-task.
Mar 26 21:19:24 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: the problem is when you are on the road
Mar 26 21:19:51 Sonar_Guy    For the most part on the road I still have access, the question is usually the time.
Mar 26 21:20:05 EvilBob    I think he must be one of the genius types that has little task managent and follow through
Mar 26 21:20:16 Sonar_Guy    That is a true statement.
Mar 26 21:20:28 Sonar_Guy    I can see him being hired by Google.  hehe
Mar 26 21:20:32 EvilBob    I think we can help him a lot just through comminication
Mar 26 21:21:25 EvilBob    with moving through Friday and getitng settled next weke I hope that after tha I will have more focus my self
Mar 26 21:21:32 Sonar_Guy    I agree, and that is where he needs help.  Communication and asking for help on the projects he is working on would be a good start.
Mar 26 21:21:40 EvilBob    s/weke/week
Mar 26 21:21:57 Sonar_Guy    I do not want to get this engine running then not have the expertise to maintain it should something happen.
Mar 26 21:22:10 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: +1
Mar 26 21:22:14 Sonar_Gal    +1
Mar 26 21:22:31 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: that would be one benifit of hosting it ourselves
Mar 26 21:22:48 Sonar_Guy    I will endevor to learn how it works and how to maintain it in parallel to getting it hosted on our site.
Mar 26 21:23:19 Sonar_Guy    The question is the hardware, he is looking for approximatly 3 mid power servers to do all the work.
Mar 26 21:23:41 Sonar_Guy    One was a quad ppro 200.
Mar 26 21:23:56 EvilBob    I think if properly managed it should be able to be done on a single strong box
Mar 26 21:24:03 Sonar_Guy    I do not know what your hardware is so that will have to be your call.
Mar 26 21:24:18 EvilBob    2.8Ghz Dual ot HT
Mar 26 21:24:27 EvilBob    s/ot/or
Mar 26 21:24:58 Sonar_Guy    I agree, he did say the indexer and cache servers could run on the same hardware on on dual should handle that with 3 vmware sessions imho.
Mar 26 21:25:27 EvilBob    I can even move the indexing it self off to local bxes here at the house that i can run for free then push the data out tot he production server
Mar 26 21:25:40 Sonar_Guy    let me say that again, I think that 3 vmware sessions tweaked out could handle the entire engine.
Mar 26 21:25:57 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: I agree
Mar 26 21:26:14 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: we have that ability other than IP space
Mar 26 21:26:40 EvilBob    but....Hmmm
Mar 26 21:26:44 Sonar_Guy    well the indexer and cache could be local connections, should not need true addresses.
Mar 26 21:26:50 EvilBob    maybe I canmake that work
Mar 26 21:27:05 Sonar_Guy    Only the front end should need a true net address.
Mar 26 21:27:16 EvilBob    let em brainstorm on that and talk to dam this week about it
Mar 26 21:27:24 Sonar_Gal    ok
Mar 26 21:27:49 EvilBob    there is no reason the indexers can't be VMhost Nat guests
Mar 26 21:28:09 EvilBob    so they would use the HOst's External IP
Mar 26 21:28:13 EvilBob    ....
Mar 26 21:28:25 EvilBob    see what I am smoking?
Mar 26 21:28:26 Sonar_Guy    Ok, he said he was going to be here.  I will be on travel from 2 april to 9 april in Hawaii so hitting the meeting may be an issue as there is a 6 hour time change, but I will be online and available.
Mar 26 21:28:46 Sonar_Guy    Yup, I agree, it should not be a issue.
Mar 26 21:28:49 EvilBob    how about this
Mar 26 21:29:17 Sonar_Guy    The only thing this may be an issue is the disk stuff,  you using scsi or ide?
Mar 26 21:29:23 EvilBob    lets cancel next weekends meeting
Mar 26 21:29:36 EvilBob    SATA II
Mar 26 21:29:59 EvilBob    Move our Upgrade to FC5 Goal out to the 16th
Mar 26 21:30:02 Sonar_Guy    Ok so the access speed is prety good.
Mar 26 21:30:13 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: Oh hell yeah
Mar 26 21:30:27 Sonar_Gal    That was the other thing I was going to ask about EvilBob
Mar 26 21:30:31 Sonar_Guy    Ok, not used to sata, still a die hard scsi user here.
Mar 26 21:30:34 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: Will you be home the night of the 9th?
Mar 26 21:30:51 Sonar_Guy    No, I will be in the air till noon on the 10th.
Mar 26 21:30:57 EvilBob    IC
Mar 26 21:31:15 Sonar_Guy    Redeye out of HNL leave at 10pm est.
Mar 26 21:31:16 EvilBob    lets Keep the meeting on the 9th
Mar 26 21:31:23 Sonar_Gal    ok
Mar 26 21:31:30 EvilBob    cancel for the 2nd
Mar 26 21:31:35 Sonar_Gal    ok
Mar 26 21:31:42 EvilBob    we will Upgrade for the 16th
Mar 26 21:32:20 EvilBob    and also work on integrating the search solutions to FC5 or CentOS VMs as per dam's suggestions
Mar 26 21:32:48 Sonar_Guy    That works for me, I plan on doing my local server this week and see what issues we hit with zope+plone.
Mar 26 21:32:57 EvilBob    I will work close with him from the 2nd-9th to get the project matured
Mar 26 21:32:59 Southern_Gentlem    i wont be here next week at all
Mar 26 21:33:27 EvilBob    we will work on integration fromt he 9th-16th
Mar 26 21:33:44 Sonar_Guy    Thats fine Southern_Gentlem not an issue.
Mar 26 21:33:57 EvilBob    also from now until the 2nd we will work on the LDAP and users shit
Mar 26 21:34:16 Sonar_Guy    Bob I will also try to update my schedule on the calendar so it is know as I find out what it is.
Mar 26 21:34:51 Sonar_Guy    Cool that works for me.
Mar 26 21:34:55 EvilBob    Rather than cancel the meeting for the 2nd, lets note that it will be a 15 minute update
Mar 26 21:35:13 EvilBob    and work on a few things after that like our old brain busters
Mar 26 21:35:14 Sonar_Gal    that's fine
Mar 26 21:35:32 Sonar_Guy    I am also going to try to get the Task list fixed by next sunday.
Mar 26 21:35:45 EvilBob    is it brokemn?
Mar 26 21:36:21 EvilBob    Oh oh oh
Mar 26 21:36:33 EvilBob    Southern_Gentlem had an idea
Mar 26 21:36:35 Sonar_Guy    Another focus needs to be updating the how-to's for FC5, since the fedorafaq is not updated you we may be a good source of info for new fc5 people.
Mar 26 21:36:40 EvilBob    I forgot all aboutit
Mar 26 21:36:43 Sonar_Guy    lol
Mar 26 21:37:17 EvilBob    Southern_Gentlem asked about spinning updated ISOs
Mar 26 21:37:36 EvilBob    I think this might be a great project
Mar 26 21:38:02 Southern_Gentlem    i finally got a dvd iso downloaded that passed the checksum
Mar 26 21:38:04 EvilBob    thl from the livna project suggested they may be able to help us out with bandwith for the ISOs
Mar 26 21:38:13 Sonar_Guy    Ok, I will add that to the task list when I get it fixed.  I also think I may have some links for what is needed and how to do that.
Mar 26 21:38:41 Sonar_Guy    Cool, I think the major work is in the re-spin and testing them.
Mar 26 21:38:57 EvilBob    Iw ould like to try really hard at becoming the "official" documentation point for Livna
Mar 26 21:39:30 Sonar_Guy    That works also, adding an livna section to our how-to's would be very good.
Mar 26 21:40:00 EvilBob    By posting as many Livna and extras related items will be a feather in our Fedora....
Mar 26 21:40:11 Sonar_Guy    Trying to cover all the packages they provide may take some time, but it is doable.
Mar 26 21:40:27 EvilBob    I asked gregdek about any issues with spinning updates BTW
Mar 26 21:40:36 EvilBob    his responce was "Go For it"
Mar 26 21:41:09 Sonar_Guy    Cool, wonder if it would be possible once respun to put back on the fp servers and flow down to the mirrors?
Mar 26 21:41:43 mether    Sonar_Guy, we have a ongoing discussion on it internally
Mar 26 21:41:45 EvilBob    I think that is we targeted an updated spin every 30 days with 5 days of testing we should be good
Mar 26 21:41:51 Sonar_Guy    Might make it easier on the bandwidth front.  As a seperate entity.
Mar 26 21:42:09 mether    either way you guys should be able to do it and do announcements and such
Mar 26 21:42:14 mether    as a community effort
Mar 26 21:42:37 Sonar_Guy    That sounds a little ambitious, I was thinking 45 day with 10-14 days for testing.
Mar 26 21:42:39 Southern_Gentlem    http://fedoranews.org/contributors/gene_czarcinski/update_distro/fedoranews-update-distro.pdf
Mar 26 21:42:47 mether    there are release management and legal issues as well as the question of accessibility if you want to use the fedora core build system
Mar 26 21:42:48 EvilBob    mether: right, as this idea matures I know I will need to end up talking to Jeremy and Jesse for pointers I am sure
Mar 26 21:43:48 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: lets step it up with "release early and release offen" for now, if it becomes to much we can back down
Mar 26 21:43:58 Sonar_Guy    mether: I think we can build them the question was flowing them back up to the servers for distribution.
Mar 26 21:44:28 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: Lets let the idea prove it's worth efore we even worry about that IMO
Mar 26 21:44:29 rjune    hey bob
Mar 26 21:44:34 rjune    how did your move go?
Mar 26 21:44:51 Sonar_Gal    rjune, meeting
Mar 26 21:45:07 rjune    oos
Mar 26 21:45:07 EvilBob    rjune: most of my hardware is at the new place, the gobby sever will be offline until the end of the week
Mar 26 21:45:47 EvilBob    rjune: once my DSL is moved I can get it back online
Mar 26 21:46:14 mether    Sonar_Guy, someone has already done it before. http://fedora.isphuset.no/
Mar 26 21:46:31 mether    Sonar_Guy, I am sure you can host it in bittorrent and use other mirrors if it's useful
Mar 26 21:46:50 Sonar_Guy    Agreed.
Mar 26 21:47:23 *    r4zz has quit ("Leaving")
Mar 26 21:48:21 Sonar_Guy    Well I believe we have enough work for the next couple of months.  hehe
Mar 26 21:48:54 Southern_Gentlem    i will see what i can do
Mar 26 21:49:04 EvilBob    Southern_Gentlem: BTW
Mar 26 21:49:17 EvilBob    Southern_Gentlem: I am glad you are with us in the project
Mar 26 21:49:32 Sonar_Guy    I will document any issues that I have in my upgrade process on on the server and take lots of notes to forward to you Bob.
Mar 26 21:49:34 Sonar_Gal    Southern_Gentlem, I agree with Bob there
Mar 26 21:49:54 Sonar_Guy    +1 here too!!  hehe
Mar 26 21:50:17 Southern_Gentlem    you guys i have always supported you
Mar 26 21:50:28 EvilBob    Southern_Gentlem: the parting ways from FedoraSolved.com and FCCp was hard for us and you were missed
Mar 26 21:50:55 Southern_Gentlem    that wasnt why i was gone bob
Mar 26 21:51:02 EvilBob    Southern_Gentlem: I know that
Mar 26 21:51:20 Southern_Gentlem    all i will say in btmux.com
Mar 26 21:51:29 Southern_Gentlem    all i will say is btmux.com LOL
Mar 26 21:51:56 Sonar_Guy    hehe
Mar 26 21:52:02 Southern_Gentlem    very addictive game
Mar 26 21:53:31 EvilBob    We have a great project here, and a great group of people with wonderful input, mether helps so much and now with you here tohelp with the docs I am much less worried
Mar 26 21:54:07 Southern_Gentlem    ok why if i try to post on fs.org why does it ask for a file
Mar 26 21:54:19 Sonar_Guy    EvilBob: We will possibly need a dedicated build system for the respins, so as to keep everything clean and consistant for the builds.
Mar 26 21:54:26 EvilBob    I knew we could do it, but I was worried if we could do it as well as we should for the comminity
Mar 26 21:55:27 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: this is part of my plan, we will have 2-6 systems at my new place just for unity to use for projects and testing
Mar 26 21:55:47 Sonar_Guy    Southern_Gentlem: you need to add Item > page not file.
Mar 26 21:56:20 Sonar_Guy    Cool, that will work.  Keep in mind we can help defray the costs if needed.
Mar 26 21:56:31 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: I have also been providing a few of the Docs project guys with shell accounts for the documentation stuff
Mar 26 21:56:41 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: I apperciate that
Mar 26 21:56:45 Sonar_Guy    np
Mar 26 21:57:15 EvilBob    My target is one or two build systems
Mar 26 21:57:42 Sonar_Guy    Yes it would be nice to have one for x86/x86_64 and one for PPC if possible.
Mar 26 21:58:06 EvilBob    one for the "pre extras" type stuff one for the ISOs and a mirror that will be shared between those two
Mar 26 21:58:29 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: I am trying to get a PPC from a buddy of mine that he is not using
Mar 26 21:59:04 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: the sad part is that he thinks that it shoudl cost an arm, a leg and two balls
Mar 26 21:59:06 Sonar_Guy    Cool, I will also be on the look out for a couple of ppc for building.
Mar 26 21:59:19 Sonar_Guy    hehe, some people are like that.
Mar 26 21:59:32 Southern_Gentlem    well i will as well
Mar 26 22:00:19 Sonar_Guy    Well it is about time to call this meeting to a close, I will get the minutes posted and work on the task list this week.
Mar 26 22:01:34 Sonar_Gal    Well is there anything else that needs to be dicussed or can we close the meeting
Mar 26 22:01:38 Southern_Gentlem    VT is having a surplus auction on the 15th i will see what they are selling
Mar 26 22:01:47 Sonar_Gal    cool
Mar 26 22:02:22 Sonar_Guy    Southern_Gentlem: open to the public?
Mar 26 22:02:52 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close