Meeting Minutes for 12 November 2006

Nov 12 19:00:36 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to Order.
Nov 12 19:01:21 <Sonar_Gal>    The 1st order of business tonight is getting together and getting a new tasklist set up.
Nov 12 19:01:24 <Sonar_Gal>    Ideas?
Nov 12 19:01:55 <corwyn>    !
Nov 12 19:02:08 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor
Nov 12 19:02:20 <corwyn>    I've got a template created for the task list, all we need is data to fill it
Nov 12 19:02:21 <corwyn>    eof
Nov 12 19:02:54 <Sonar_Gal>    ok lets save this till open floor.
Nov 12 19:03:22 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:03:38 *    Sonar_Gal gives Southern_Gentlem the floor
Nov 12 19:03:58 <Southern_Gentlem>    one item discuss new backups policy
Nov 12 19:04:07 <daMaestro>    +1
Nov 12 19:04:19 <Southern_Gentlem>    i am willing to be a additonal backup site
Nov 12 19:04:20 <Southern_Gentlem>    eol
Nov 12 19:04:24 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:04:25 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 19:04:37 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor
Nov 12 19:05:41 <BobJensen>    Between the servers here and "fatass" I think we are good for back up sites, we will have redundant "ready to go" systems here and fatass can pull that same duty as needed
Nov 12 19:06:28 <BobJensen>    remember we are talking about a 15-20 gig back up file
Nov 12 19:06:52 <BobJensen>    we do not want to have to move that to very many locations before it becomes a problem
Nov 12 19:07:19 <corwyn>    !
Nov 12 19:07:50 <BobJensen>    It is my understanding that Ema dn Scott worked out a backup script so we can automate this I hope to get details from Scott following the meeting so Jon and I can get it implemented and tested
Nov 12 19:07:52 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:08:05 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor
Nov 12 19:08:07 <corwyn>    we need to have at minimum 2 offsite backups, for disaster recovery
Nov 12 19:08:08 <corwyn>    eof
Nov 12 19:08:21 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:08:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor
Nov 12 19:08:55 <daMaestro>    !
Nov 12 19:08:56 <BobJensen>    corwyn: that is the plan, two systems here with the data, the system that is "unity04" and also fatass
Nov 12 19:09:05 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:09:32 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor
Nov 12 19:09:47 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 19:09:59 <daMaestro>    due to the amount of upload the current systems have; we need to consider the effect of needing to upload that much data over the WAN link
Nov 12 19:10:26 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:10:32 <daMaestro>    BobJensen do you have a dvd burner? are we expecting things to fit on one or two DVDs? EOF
Nov 12 19:10:39 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 19:10:41 <Sonar_Guy>    !  The script I have is fully functional up to the point of moving it off the box,  I have not had a chance to work on that further yet.  That is on my plate for this week.  EOF
Nov 12 19:11:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:11:13 <BobJensen>    perhaps just a smaller back up of just the plone data will be more practical for "distribution"
Nov 12 19:11:42 <BobJensen>    that will get us back on quickly with the sites but not the added "extra" funtionallity
Nov 12 19:11:44 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:12:02 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:12:08 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:12:47 <BobJensen>    Sonar_Guy: sorry just reading back, is it OK if Jon an I just roll with what we have at this point and get the script done tonight if we can?
Nov 12 19:12:49 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:13:12 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Nov 12 19:13:16 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 19:13:24 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:13:29 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:13:47 <BobJensen>    I would really ike to use what ever resources we have NOW to get this going at tthis point in time
Nov 12 19:14:08 <BobJensen>    rather than waiting for later in the week
Nov 12 19:14:26 <BobJensen>    I do not expect you to do it al so I would like to help out, thanks
Nov 12 19:14:30 <daMaestro>    !
Nov 12 19:14:36 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:14:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Nov 12 19:15:41 <daMaestro>    i do think that we should go with a 2 stage backup; maybe something like once a week we snapshot and have an inner VM backup (plone, mail, configs, other files) and move that to where it needs to go and then once a month or every two weeks we do a full VM backup: EOF
Nov 12 19:15:58 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:16:02 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:16:25 <BobJensen>    lets see just howmuch time a full back up takes, and "tweak from there"
Nov 12 19:16:27 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:17:01 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:17:09 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:17:19 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 19:17:53 <Southern_Gentlem>    so by next weeks meeting can we get a backup -restore policy from the server team?  eof
Nov 12 19:18:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 19:18:29 <Sonar_Guy>    Ok first off there are 2 scripts one to do daily snapshots, the other is a complete backup of all vmimages on the server that should be run once a week.
Nov 12 19:19:10 <Sonar_Guy>    This full backup pauses the running images copies he data to a temp file then restarts the image.
Nov 12 19:19:24 <daMaestro>    ?
Nov 12 19:19:25 <Sonar_Guy>    Once that is done it tar.gzs the images for size.
Nov 12 19:19:30 <Sonar_Guy>    eof
Nov 12 19:19:46 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Nov 12 19:20:01 <daMaestro>    Sonar_Guy, does the daily snapshots take into account old images? does it automatically remove something older then, say, 3 days?
Nov 12 19:20:04 <daMaestro>    EOF
Nov 12 19:20:15 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 19:20:20 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 19:20:34 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:20:54 <Sonar_Guy>    Jon vmware server only allows for one snapshot to be present and sequences the images so that only the most recent one is valid.
Nov 12 19:20:58 <Sonar_Guy>    EOF
Nov 12 19:21:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:21:09 <BobJensen>    can we work on the details of what the scripts do after the meeting? EOF
Nov 12 19:21:48 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 19:21:53 <corwyn>    +1
Nov 12 19:22:15 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:22:21 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:22:42 <BobJensen>    I would like to point out that this is our 1 year mark in history
Nov 12 19:22:52 <BobJensen>    this week
Nov 12 19:23:18 <BobJensen>    we have done a lot of good stuff, I thing we all deserve a pat on the back
Nov 12 19:23:47 <BobJensen>    I am very happy with what we have done for the community
Nov 12 19:23:50 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:23:50 <Southern_Gentlem>    +1
Nov 12 19:23:54 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:23:55 <corwyn>    +1
Nov 12 19:23:56 *    Sonar_Guy thinks I deserve a kick in the ass after my tirade this weekend!!
Nov 12 19:24:08 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:24:14 <Sonar_Gal>    +1 to Bob
Nov 12 19:24:19 <Sonar_Gal>    +1 to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 19:25:06 <Southern_Gentlem>    first all no scott you off your chest and are still here, that proves all of us together working on somethings shows massive results
Nov 12 19:25:12 <Southern_Gentlem>    got it
Nov 12 19:25:29 <Sonar_Guy>    ??
Nov 12 19:25:33 <Southern_Gentlem>    ok we need to have a discussion on the respins
Nov 12 19:25:52 <corwyn>    !!!
Nov 12 19:25:59 <Sonar_Guy>    XX
Nov 12 19:26:06 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to corwyn
Nov 12 19:26:17 <Southern_Gentlem>    do we want to do monthly respins and stay  schedule or bi monthly stay on schedule
Nov 12 19:26:18 <corwyn>    let the meeting chairperson call for the task so we can keep this orderly
Nov 12 19:26:19 <Southern_Gentlem>    eof
Nov 12 19:26:21 <corwyn>    eof
Nov 12 19:26:43 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:26:54 <Sonar_Gal>    Yes as of right now we have no tasklist and we need to make a new one.
Nov 12 19:26:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:27:45 <BobJensen>    On the subject of re-spins, we are in some what of a hollding pattern from before the disaster, kanarip and I were working on an updated set of scripts
Nov 12 19:28:09 <BobJensen>    we MUST provide the srpms to be compliant with the GPL  at this time
Nov 12 19:28:22 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Nov 12 19:28:23 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 19:28:29 <daMaestro>    !?
Nov 12 19:28:31 <BobJensen>    as a result we need to rewrite both scripts to include that data
Nov 12 19:28:31 <corwyn>    +1
Nov 12 19:29:23 <BobJensen>    I hope that this wek (before friday) we can haave the script work done so that friday night we will have re-spins for FC5 available
Nov 12 19:29:26 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:29:36 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Nov 12 19:29:48 <daMaestro>    are we *sure* this needs to be done? this is a waste of time if it is not needed; IMHO; EOF
Nov 12 19:29:49 *    BobJensen notes available for download and testing
Nov 12 19:29:55 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:30:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:31:29 <BobJensen>    daMaestro: yes it must be done at this point to "CYA" we have nothing in writing from FP that they will provide us with the sources for three years, also if we were to count on them we would have to heep a dtailed sources list for each respin, much easier to CYA with just putting out the src ISO
Nov 12 19:31:32 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:31:51 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:31:59 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:32:32 <Southern_Gentlem>    daMaestro,  yes a respin of fc5 maybe a waste of time but this is what we have said on our site The Fedora Unity Project intends to release early and often. New Re-Spins are provided early each month during the life of a Fedora Core release, until that release is transferred to Fedora Legacy. Early snapshots are taken mid-month to start testing. Final snapshots are taken about a week before the release. All released ISO ima
Nov 12 19:32:32 <Southern_Gentlem>    ges are tested using a 15-point test matrix to ensure the quality the Fedora community expects. If you are interested in helping with the testing or seeding efforts, please contact the Fedora Unity team. Contact information is available at http://fedoraunity.org/.
Nov 12 19:32:35 <Southern_Gentlem>    eof
Nov 12 19:32:49 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:32:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:33:15 <BobJensen>    he was talking about the sources being a waste of time not the re-spins
Nov 12 19:33:17 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:33:53 <Sonar_Gal>    ok Gents lets get the tasklist started so we can get that done then we can discuss this stuff
Nov 12 19:34:00 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:34:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:34:52 <BobJensen>    OK task one, back up plan, 2 work on the "email accounts" 3 work on the re-spins and mirrors script
Nov 12 19:35:07 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 19:35:26 <BobJensen>    complete the backup plan and test before next weeks meeting with a report
Nov 12 19:35:50 <BobJensen>    let everyone know how it works and where we need help
Nov 12 19:36:07 <BobJensen>    the email bit Jon said should not be hard
Nov 12 19:36:24 <BobJensen>    daMaestro: can you do that by say wednesday?
Nov 12 19:36:39 <daMaestro>    let me get caught up...
Nov 12 19:36:54 <BobJensen>    Friday is the goal for the re-spans and mirrors scritps
Nov 12 19:36:56 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:37:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 19:37:06 <Sonar_Guy>    4 Document all progress on the sites as this work is completed so we have the history!  EOF
Nov 12 19:37:19 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:37:22 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:37:41 <daMaestro>    BobJensen, sounds worksable
Nov 12 19:37:42 <BobJensen>    Sonar_Guy: we have out internal server team tas list we can put on the site
Nov 12 19:37:46 <daMaestro>    work-able
Nov 12 19:38:11 <BobJensen>    Sonar_Guy: there are some items that should remain private for security reasons
Nov 12 19:38:19 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 19:38:20 <BobJensen>    so some white out may be needed
Nov 12 19:38:23 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:38:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 19:38:55 <daMaestro>    ?
Nov 12 19:39:13 <Sonar_Guy>    I do ot care where it is documented but there needs to be a place where we can see the progress, currently we see task started task completed, not the work that gets us from point A - point B.  EOF
Nov 12 19:39:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Nov 12 19:39:31 *    BobJensen nods
Nov 12 19:40:18 <daMaestro>    are we planning on using a bug tracker for this purpose? should a private one be setup? on that note, the trackers have still to be correctly customized for each purpose EOF
Nov 12 19:40:28 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:40:33 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:41:00 <BobJensen>    IMO we should have an internal task tracker, I think we talked about this before
Nov 12 19:41:11 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:41:16 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:41:25 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:41:29 <Southern_Gentlem>    5 bug tracker eof
Nov 12 19:41:44 <corwyn>    (already on the new task list)
Nov 12 19:41:44 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:41:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:42:10 <BobJensen>    I do not want this to be a "bug tracker" it is for tracking tasks
Nov 12 19:42:14 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:42:29 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 19:42:42 <corwyn>    !
Nov 12 19:42:51 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to corwyn
Nov 12 19:43:08 <corwyn>    Bug Tracker is just a term, call it what you want, it's a Task Tracking database
Nov 12 19:43:09 <corwyn>    eof
Nov 12 19:43:19 <daMaestro>    !
Nov 12 19:43:35 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:43:49 *    BobJensen notes he has 1" snow flakes falling out side
Nov 12 19:43:55 *    Questor (n=ident@fedora/questor) has joined #fedora-unity
Nov 12 19:43:59 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Nov 12 19:44:00 <daMaestro>    i think poi (our bug tracker) will serve us well for this purpose; EOF
Nov 12 19:44:08 <corwyn>    +1
Nov 12 19:44:09 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Nov 12 19:44:12 <BobJensen>    +1
Nov 12 19:44:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:44:17 <Sonar_Gal>    +1 daMaestro
Nov 12 19:44:22 <corwyn>    !
Nov 12 19:44:27 <Southern_Gentlem>    7 internal task tracker
Nov 12 19:44:29 <Southern_Gentlem>    eof
Nov 12 19:44:39 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to corwyn
Nov 12 19:44:40 <corwyn>    daMaestro: just title it differently please
Nov 12 19:44:41 <corwyn>    eof
Nov 12 19:45:10 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 19:45:12 <daMaestro>    !
Nov 12 19:45:16 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 19:45:51 *    BobJensen welcomes Questor to our meeting
Nov 12 19:46:17 *    Questor (Thanks)
Nov 12 19:46:30 <Sonar_Guy>    Another task, everybody needs to learn the ins and out of our sites, this way it is not left up to Jon to do it all.  We all need to work on this.  We should be self supportive and each be able do the basic tasks!  EOF
Nov 12 19:46:45 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Nov 12 19:46:54 <daMaestro>    we can name it whatever; but the key is to have it a private tracker (maybe public viewable if we want) EOF
Nov 12 19:47:05 <BobJensen>    =1
Nov 12 19:47:10 <BobJensen>    -1
Nov 12 19:47:18 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:47:18 <Southern_Gentlem>    +1
Nov 12 19:47:26 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:47:28 <Sonar_Guy>    daMaestro: -1
Nov 12 19:47:33 <BobJensen>    this needs to be a team members only kind of thing IMO
Nov 12 19:47:40 *    Em (i=Emily@user-69-1-7-5.knology.net) has joined #fedora-unity
Nov 12 19:47:41 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 19:47:56 <daMaestro>    !
Nov 12 19:47:59 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 19:48:04 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:48:06 <BobJensen>    that way we do not need to worry near as much about security issues being tlaked about
Nov 12 19:48:09 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:48:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Nov 12 19:48:52 <daMaestro>    ok, so private; manager only access.. we can still host it on the bug tracking site.. it just wont be visible to the public.. and you will have to have special access to get to it; EOF
Nov 12 19:49:06 <BobJensen>    +1
Nov 12 19:49:07 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 19:49:11 <Sonar_Guy>    I do believe however it needs to be made public after it is cleaned of any sensitive data, not the process data but security issue data.  This is a community project, we keep no SECRETS from the community!
Nov 12 19:49:13 <Sonar_Guy>    EOF
Nov 12 19:49:25 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:49:29 <Southern_Gentlem>    managers only IMO
Nov 12 19:49:33 <Southern_Gentlem>    eof
Nov 12 19:49:37 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:49:44 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:49:48 <corwyn>    +1: daMaestro
Nov 12 19:49:58 <Questor>    !
Nov 12 19:50:05 <Sonar_Guy>    daMaestro: +1
Nov 12 19:50:25 <BobJensen>    I may be overly paranoid about this but I am willigng to leave scotts "open later" as an option depening how it works out
Nov 12 19:50:27 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:50:33 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Questor
Nov 12 19:50:48 <corwyn>    !
Nov 12 19:51:48 <Questor>    I like Scott's emphasis, "This is a community project, we keep no SECRETS from the community!"  We don't want to publish sensitive things, but I think we need to have options to open up some things for their educational value, which can be decided in the future in a case-by-case basis.
Nov 12 19:52:12 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:52:12 <daMaestro>    !
Nov 12 19:52:15 <corwyn>    X
Nov 12 19:52:19 <corwyn>    +1 questor
Nov 12 19:52:21 <Questor>    EOF
Nov 12 19:52:28 <Sonar_Guy>    Questor: +1
Nov 12 19:52:29 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:52:33 <Southern_Gentlem>    8 npc
Nov 12 19:52:36 <Southern_Gentlem>    eof
Nov 12 19:52:47 <Southern_Gentlem>    nonprofit corporation
Nov 12 19:52:50 *    BobJensen wonders what npc is
Nov 12 19:52:55 <BobJensen>    Ahhh
Nov 12 19:53:26 <Questor>    EOF
Nov 12 19:53:32 <Sonar_Gal>    corwyn, add that as a task assigned to me at this time
Nov 12 19:53:38 <Sonar_Gal>    NPC
Nov 12 19:54:31 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:54:48 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Nov 12 19:54:52 <daMaestro>    i think it might be best to leave the tracker private and just send out more emails as progress is made.. or use the task list for completed items; that is another task list item. to customize the mailing lists
Nov 12 19:55:26 <daMaestro>    EOF
Nov 12 19:55:34 <corwyn>    Sonar_Gal: already added :)
Nov 12 19:55:37 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:55:40 <BobJensen>    I am going to have to ask that we start to wrap things up, I need to take a break, my legs are losing feeling EOF
Nov 12 19:55:56 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:56:04 *    BobJensen did not get his walk in today, sorry
Nov 12 19:56:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:56:19 <Southern_Gentlem>    motion to adjoin seconded eof
Nov 12 19:56:26 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:56:31 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:57:05 <BobJensen>    Does anyone else thing we should have an "extra meeting" this week on thursday just for task status reports?
Nov 12 19:57:13 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:57:21 <daMaestro>    +0
Nov 12 19:57:27 <Southern_Gentlem>    -1
Nov 12 19:57:35 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Nov 12 19:57:39 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 19:57:39 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 19:57:45 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 19:57:58 <corwyn>    +1
Nov 12 19:58:25 <BobJensen>    My thinking is that we have some big items on the table and if we need help getting them done it would be a good chance to let others know, I would think we should limit it to a hard 1/2 hour
Nov 12 19:58:27 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 19:58:35 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Nov 12 19:58:38 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 19:58:41 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 19:58:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 19:59:33 <Southern_Gentlem>    agree with you here bob, but i also think after the last week we need some extra time to recover and catch our breaths IMO eof
Nov 12 20:00:12 <daMaestro>    Southern_Gentlem, +1
Nov 12 20:00:19 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 20:00:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 20:00:49 <BobJensen>    If everything is going as planned the meeting should take 10 inutes tops, "task one is great" and so on
Nov 12 20:00:57 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 20:01:02 <Southern_Gentlem>    lol
Nov 12 20:01:29 <BobJensen>    if a task needs help that is all that is talked about in the meeting, we break of in to smaller groups after the meeting for details
Nov 12 20:01:31 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 20:01:41 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 20:02:43 <Sonar_Guy>    I have a suggestion, If we hard fix the time limit of the meeting to 30 minutes, bang out the updates needed.  Have a 1 hour meeting sunday afternoon. Then we postpone the next meeting till after the thanksgiving holiday to allow people to get caught up on their personal life/tasks!!
Nov 12 20:02:44 <Sonar_Guy>    EOF
Nov 12 20:03:01 <Southern_Gentlem>    +1
Nov 12 20:03:05 <BobJensen>    +1
Nov 12 20:03:10 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 20:03:29 <corwyn>    +1
Nov 12 20:03:34 *    BobJensen thinks that is great idea
Nov 12 20:03:41 <Sonar_Guy>    !
Nov 12 20:03:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Nov 12 20:05:04 <Sonar_Guy>    That would make us having a meeting thursday NTE (not to exceede) 30 minutes.  Then a meeting sunday (NTE) 60 minutes at the 5pm EST time, then the next meeting will be 3 DEC 2006.
Nov 12 20:05:05 <Sonar_Guy>    EOF
Nov 12 20:05:31 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 20:05:38 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 20:05:56 <BobJensen>    I will second such a motion,  or make a motion as such .... not sure where we are
Nov 12 20:05:59 <BobJensen>    EOF
Nov 12 20:06:10 <corwyn>    +1
Nov 12 20:06:16 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Nov 12 20:06:34 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Nov 12 20:06:36 <Southern_Gentlem>    !
Nov 12 20:06:40 <BobJensen>    !
Nov 12 20:06:42 <Southern_Gentlem>    motion to adjoin
Nov 12 20:06:44 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Nov 12 20:06:47 <Southern_Gentlem>    eof
Nov 12 20:06:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Nov 12 20:06:49 <corwyn>    Second
Nov 12 20:07:04 <BobJensen>    would the meeting on the 3rd be aslo at the 5PM time? EOF I would think yes
Nov 12 20:07:13 <corwyn>    +1
Nov 12 20:07:21 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close.  Thank you to everyone for attending this weeks Unity meeting.