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Meeting Minutes for 5 July 2006
Jul 05 21:04:39 * Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to Order.
Jul 05 21:05:13 Sonar_Gal Bob has some things to say at the start of this meeting.
Jul 05 21:05:26 BobJensen OK several people have asked so Will just let you all know My Doctors had no info for me today, I have a CT scan scheduled for Friday late afternoon. I went and spent the weekend with my parents had a good time, will be going back on Friday after the Doctors.
Jul 05 21:05:59 BobJensen Other than that Keep up the good work everyone
Jul 05 21:06:03 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:07:43 Sonar_Gal ok meeting guidelines http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/fedora-unity-project-meeting-guidelines/
Jul 05 21:08:00 Sonar_Gal meeting tasklist http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/task-list
Jul 05 21:08:24 Sonar_Gal 1. # Poll current contributors as to where they see themselves in the Unity Project now (what thier duties are) and what they want to learn and do in addition.
Jul 05 21:08:24 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-02
Jul 05 21:08:24 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED:Unity-Team
Jul 05 21:08:24 Sonar_Gal * NOTES:
Jul 05 21:08:47 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:09:08 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor
Jul 05 21:10:55 Sonar_Guy This has been sent out in the mailing list and nobody has resoponded. Please respond to this e-mail so we can update the Organization Chart located at http://fedoraunity.org/fedora-unity-organization you will need to log in to view the file. And yes the colors will be corrected later this week.
Jul 05 21:10:56 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:12:17 Sonar_Gal 2. # Create a CVS/SVN mailing list.
Jul 05 21:12:17 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
Jul 05 21:12:17 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Jul 05 21:12:17 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: Mailing list complete (completed), awaiting firewall changes to be implemented. To be completed no later than 2006-JUN-07!
Jul 05 21:13:24 BobJensen !
Jul 05 21:13:42 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor
Jul 05 21:14:07 BobJensen Mailing lists are up and working, I am not sure where we stand on needing CVS or if we need it, we may later for testing things
Jul 05 21:14:10 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:14:15 BobJensen !
Jul 05 21:14:15 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:14:30 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 21:14:33 BobJensen Lets just close this item and reopen the CVS item later if needed
Jul 05 21:14:38 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:14:41 Sonar_Guy X
Jul 05 21:14:43 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 21:15:13 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:15:16 daMaestro +1
Jul 05 21:15:20 Sonar_Gal 3. # We need to Start thinking about what is going to happen at each Re-Spin Release as to what happens to the old ISOs. When do we cut the Feed? Can our seeders handle more than one ISO? Should more than one release be seeded?
Jul 05 21:15:20 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: Completed
Jul 05 21:15:20 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Test-Team
Jul 05 21:15:31 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:15:37 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:15:51 daMaestro old torrent gets archived.. the tracker will continue to track and we transition to the new torrent IMO
Jul 05 21:15:53 daMaestro EOF
Jul 05 21:16:05 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:16:11 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:16:15 daMaestro ! and the old torrent will be removed from the tracker at some point EOF
Jul 05 21:16:46 Sonar_Guy I agree we kill the old seed 24 hours prior to the release of the new iso and remove 1 week after the new release.
Jul 05 21:16:47 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:16:53 daMaestro +1
Jul 05 21:16:56 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:17:04 BobJensen +1
Jul 05 21:17:06 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:17:12 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:17:34 daMaestro would a seeders list work out? we need to be able to tell the others to give up their seeds and get on-board with the new torrent EOF
Jul 05 21:17:47 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 21:17:49 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:17:53 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:17:54 BobJensen !
Jul 05 21:18:00 * Sonar_Gal shows BobJensen the link http://fedorasolved.org/browser-solutions/flash/
Jul 05 21:18:07 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 21:18:10 Sonar_Guy hehe
Jul 05 21:18:11 Sonar_Gal sorry Bob
Jul 05 21:18:23 BobJensen I wonder if just using tyhe testers list would be OK?
Jul 05 21:18:26 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:18:33 * Sonar_Guy thinks it funny that Sonar_Gal is flashing Bob!!
Jul 05 21:18:40 daMaestro should we just use the test-list? i mean we don't use the lists enough at this point EOF +1 BobJensen
Jul 05 21:18:51 Sonar_Guy BobJensen: +1
Jul 05 21:19:24 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:19:35 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:19:41 daMaestro we need to work on getting the message out we have a new torrent for testing EOF
Jul 05 21:19:55 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:20:07 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:20:27 Sonar_Guy I like the Idea that mether came up with, Post it on the Fedora-Test list and ask for testing once the ISOs are seeded. EOF
Jul 05 21:20:37 daMaestro +1
Jul 05 21:20:48 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:20:51 BobJensen +1
Jul 05 21:21:10 Sonar_Gal 4. # Start working on submissions to google and company for all sites in the Fedora Unity Domain. Need to create a list of the top 10 search engines determined by the Fedora Unity Project Key leaders.
Jul 05 21:21:10 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jul 05 21:21:10 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Jul 05 21:21:10 Sonar_Gal o NOTES:
Jul 05 21:21:18 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:21:25 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:21:54 Sonar_Guy I recommed that we close this task, a check of google and the other search engines shows our site is beeing crawled.
Jul 05 21:21:55 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:22:13 BobJensen +1
Jul 05 21:22:14 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:22:49 daMaestro +0
Jul 05 21:23:29 Sonar_Gal daMaestro, why don't you want to see this item closed?
Jul 05 21:23:45 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:24:24 daMaestro how do I vote.. "ummm i dunno.. whatever"?
Jul 05 21:24:37 Sonar_Gal just wondering that's all
Jul 05 21:24:49 daMaestro no no.. i am asking
Jul 05 21:24:49 Sonar_Gal ok next
Jul 05 21:24:49 daMaestro lol
Jul 05 21:25:09 daMaestro is +0 (no) or (umm i dunno.. whatever)?
Jul 05 21:25:15 BobJensen -1
Jul 05 21:25:19 daMaestro -1 is no?
Jul 05 21:25:20 Sonar_Gal +0 is no
Jul 05 21:25:22 daMaestro ahhhhh
Jul 05 21:25:24 BobJensen X
Jul 05 21:25:29 Sonar_Gal lol
Jul 05 21:25:31 BobJensen -0
Jul 05 21:25:34 BobJensen +0
Jul 05 21:25:41 daMaestro -0 (umm i dunno.. whatever?)
Jul 05 21:25:42 BobJensen Who knows
Jul 05 21:25:44 daMaestro lol
Jul 05 21:25:56 BobJensen Next
Jul 05 21:26:01 daMaestro i _was_trying_ to say "umm.. i dunno.. whatever" lol
Jul 05 21:26:04 Sonar_Gal 5. # Discuss adding a README to the ISO Directory that inclues Fedora Unity HOW-TOs on running SHA1SUM from Windows/Linux and Burning an ISO Image from both Windows/Linux. Both of these HOW-TOs also need to be added to FedoraSolved.Org
Jul 05 21:26:04 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-AUG-01
Jul 05 21:26:04 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Jul 05 21:26:04 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: Not going into ISO.
Jul 05 21:26:12 Sonar_Gal daMaestro, they say not sure
Jul 05 21:26:18 daMaestro ok
Jul 05 21:26:29 BobJensen !
Jul 05 21:26:36 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 21:27:42 BobJensen I will work on getting this done tomorrow, we will then have to re-torrent the data and have our seeds get the new torrent
Jul 05 21:27:42 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:28:00 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:28:26 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:28:27 daMaestro the new torrent will only add the bits for the howto.. the old bits that are already seeded maybe copied in. EOF
Jul 05 21:28:36 BobJensen Yup
Jul 05 21:28:38 BobJensen !
Jul 05 21:29:00 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 21:29:01 BobJensen we may need to make sure our seeds/testers know about the the addition some how
Jul 05 21:29:07 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:30:13 Sonar_Gal shouldn't that info go out in the testers mailing list
Jul 05 21:30:28 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 21:30:44 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:30:53 Sonar_Gal our seeds should be on the testers list for this info also
Jul 05 21:30:57 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:31:09 Sonar_Guy to be a member of the torrent testing, those people need to be on the Test-List. EOF
Jul 05 21:32:35 Sonar_Gal 6. # Discuss the option to list FedoraSearch.Org on 20 Major Search Engines via ListingCorp.com.
Jul 05 21:32:36 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-AUG-06
Jul 05 21:32:36 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Andrea Glaser
Jul 05 21:32:36 Sonar_Gal * NOTES: Tabled for 60 Days pending: Start working on submissions to google and company for all sites in the Fedora Unity Domain. Need to create a list of the top 10 search engines determined by the Fedora Unity Project Key leaders.
Jul 05 21:32:56 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:33:16 Sonar_Gal I feel this should come off the list. We are crawling on our own without haveing to put out $ for search submissions.
Jul 05 21:33:20 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:33:25 Sonar_Guy X
Jul 05 21:33:27 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 21:33:30 daMaestro +1
Jul 05 21:33:37 KC0WYC +1
Jul 05 21:33:57 BobJensen Sorry
Jul 05 21:33:57 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:33:57 Sonar_Gal 7. # Discuss the adding download mirrors for the Re-Spins.
Jul 05 21:33:57 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jul 05 21:33:57 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Jul 05 21:33:57 Sonar_Gal * NOTES: This item has been tabled till after the July release of the re-spins.
Jul 05 21:34:06 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:34:08 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:34:38 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:35:05 daMaestro 1. fedorasearch.org is working pretty well.. just needs a design overhaul... 2. i am against download mirrors.. i am for install servers .. the ISO data should go out the torrent flat out EOF
Jul 05 21:35:27 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:36:24 Sonar_Guy If that is the plan once I get my hosting situation setup I would also like to provide installation mirroring, but do not believe in having a download mirror. Keep it simple and just use bittorrent for downloads.
Jul 05 21:36:26 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:36:35 daMaestro +!
Jul 05 21:36:38 daMaestro err
Jul 05 21:36:39 daMaestro +1
Jul 05 21:36:44 BobJensen +1
Jul 05 21:36:51 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:37:37 Sonar_Gal Do we want to close Item 7 with a note?
Jul 05 21:37:56 EvilBob +1
Jul 05 21:38:03 Sonar_Guy Note: Installation mirroring is the way to go, but no download mirrors only install mirrors, bittorrent is the way to manage the downloads.
Jul 05 21:38:12 daMaestro +1
Jul 05 21:38:22 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 21:38:26 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:38:36 EvilBob +1
Jul 05 21:38:44 Sonar_Gal 8. # Discuss the translating of the various Fedora Unity sites to other Languages.
Jul 05 21:38:44 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-09
Jul 05 21:38:44 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Edit-Team
Jul 05 21:38:44 Sonar_Gal * NOTES: Can we do this and would be be worth while, Do we have the manpower? Being looked into with plone by DaMaestro.
Jul 05 21:38:57 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:39:02 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:39:26 Sonar_Guy Recommend tabling this till September/October timeframe after the release of FC6.
Jul 05 21:39:29 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:40:13 daMaestro +1 .. i have not started on it.. been fighting with workflow scripts and PAS .. have not had time for this
Jul 05 21:40:26 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:40:30 EvilBob +1
Jul 05 21:40:44 Sonar_Gal 9. # Need to discuss the options for editors?
Jul 05 21:40:44 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-25
Jul 05 21:40:44 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Ben Williams
Jul 05 21:40:44 Sonar_Gal o NOTES:To be discussed at July 25 meeting.
Jul 05 21:41:03 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:41:09 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:41:14 Sonar_Guy Push till July 25th.
Jul 05 21:41:16 Sonar_Guy eof
Jul 05 21:41:21 BobJensen !
Jul 05 21:41:27 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 21:41:33 BobJensen I have lots of opinions
Jul 05 21:41:51 BobJensen I do not think the editors are the problem
Jul 05 21:41:58 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 21:42:01 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:42:08 BobJensen There I got that off my chest
Jul 05 21:42:11 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:42:12 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:42:19 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:42:33 Sonar_Guy Recommend discussing this in a non-meeting format!!
Jul 05 21:42:34 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:42:44 BobJensen !
Jul 05 21:42:51 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 21:42:52 BobJensen Next wednesday?
Jul 05 21:42:55 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:42:58 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:43:11 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:43:18 Sonar_Guy Whenever is good for you, we need to discuss this via phone.
Jul 05 21:43:19 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:43:29 EvilBob k
Jul 05 21:43:50 Sonar_Gal 10. # Discuss gathering raw data from search requests to the fedora search engine for the purpose of seeing what peopele are searching. This will give us an idea for new content to post based on the data.
Jul 05 21:43:50 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
Jul 05 21:43:50 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server-Team
Jul 05 21:43:50 Sonar_Gal o NOTES:
Jul 05 21:43:50 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: we need to setup a filter for the syslog messages.. Not sure they are cluttering the syslog; Also expect that awstats will use apache log files.. those will be on 01.. if need to install awstats.. just give the word
Jul 05 21:44:18 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:44:24 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:45:12 BobJensen !
Jul 05 21:45:20 Sonar_Guy At this point is this really needed, we are getting more people looking to post, and the Docs Project is pointing people here when they can not put the content in the Official Docs Project. EOF
Jul 05 21:46:18 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 21:46:22 BobJensen Looking at the due date this is low on our priority list, we should drop it or do it one way or the other I don't care, enough of us have the ability to just get it done.
Jul 05 21:46:24 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 21:46:48 Sonar_Guy +1 to closing.
Jul 05 21:46:53 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:47:10 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:47:15 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:47:23 daMaestro so umm.. does this mean I need to add it to my todo?
Jul 05 21:47:24 daMaestro EOF
Jul 05 21:47:26 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:47:32 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:47:32 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:47:36 daMaestro arg.. i think my last CRT is going out ba! EOF
Jul 05 21:47:47 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:47:49 Sonar_Guy No REMOVE from you todo!! EOF
Jul 05 21:47:51 * daMaestro is seeing yellow
Jul 05 21:48:00 EvilBob !
Jul 05 21:48:11 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 21:48:23 * Sonar_Gal gives tht floor to Bob-Laptop, BobJensen, EvilBob, StillBob or whoever bob is at this moment.
Jul 05 21:48:23 EvilBob If me and corwyn choose to do this later we can lets just kill it for now
Jul 05 21:48:25 * Questor (n=David@fedora/questor) has joined #fedora-unity
Jul 05 21:48:32 EvilBob EOF
Jul 05 21:48:35 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:48:39 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 21:48:43 * EvilBob waves to Questor
Jul 05 21:48:43 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:48:44 daMaestro ok.. it is logging.. the data can be parsed at any time EOF
Jul 05 21:48:45 daMaestro _!
Jul 05 21:48:48 daMaestro +1
Jul 05 21:48:48 * Questor waves back
Jul 05 21:49:10 Sonar_Gal 11. # Discuss adding metadata and Updating license agreement on each post and on all Fedora Unity Websites. Need a standard format for the metadata to make it easy for users and reviewers to do this. Generate a submission process that would allow for the site to e-mail the members of the Content Team when a new post is submitted for review.
Jul 05 21:49:10 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-09
Jul 05 21:49:10 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Edit-Team
Jul 05 21:49:10 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: To be worked out on Mailing list; Work has starting on customizing the workflow
Jul 05 21:49:22 Sonar_Gal evening Questor
Jul 05 21:51:19 Sonar_Gal push til next week?
Jul 05 21:51:31 Questor Evening everyone.
Jul 05 21:51:38 Questor ?
Jul 05 21:51:44 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:51:46 * Sonar_Gal gives Questor the floor.
Jul 05 21:52:32 Questor I am on the edit-team, I think. Um, somehow I didn't know that item was on the plate of the edit team. I apologize. Question: Who all is the edit-team anyway?
Jul 05 21:52:34 Questor EOF
Jul 05 21:52:54 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:52:55 daMaestro maybe I will have the workflow stuff working by the 9th.. but I have the same issue again.. I setup an almost exact instance on a devel server and the scripts work.. but they do not work on the unity sites.. so I have more work to do on them EOF
Jul 05 21:53:04 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:53:13 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:53:52 Sonar_Guy Questor: here this the current Org Chart link http://fedoraunity.org/fedora-unity-organization sorry for the suprise with being nominated Edit-Team Lead but your best suited for that task of the people on the team!!
Jul 05 21:53:53 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:54:09 Sonar_Gal hehe
Jul 05 21:54:25 daMaestro !
Jul 05 21:54:36 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 21:54:48 daMaestro i really don't like that 'please login page' .. it is soo lame. i dunno what the deal is.. but I plan to look into it EOF
Jul 05 21:55:11 Sonar_Gal please do Glad I am not the only one haveing that issue
Jul 05 21:55:14 Sonar_Guy +1 as you have time.
Jul 05 21:55:18 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:55:25 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:55:28 Sonar_Guy Push task 11 till next meeting.
Jul 05 21:55:44 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:55:54 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 21:56:11 Questor ?
Jul 05 21:56:33 * Sonar_Gal gives Questor the floor.
Jul 05 21:57:19 Questor Well, just a question about technical problems getting to http://fedoraunity.org/fedora-unity-organization ... guess it can wait until after-meeting ... EOF
Jul 05 21:57:37 Sonar_Gal 12. # Index sites scattered through fedoraforum.org Links forum and add them to the FedoraUnity.Org site as applicable.
Jul 05 21:57:37 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-SEP-01
Jul 05 21:57:37 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Scott Glaser
Jul 05 21:57:37 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: This task is somewhat in progress, It has been suggested that Scott also look at the Redhat Solutions and verify that we do not replicate content already posted there. This was brought up on fedora last night.
Jul 05 21:57:51 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:57:57 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:58:09 Sonar_Guy Pushed till 1 Sep 2006
Jul 05 21:58:21 Sonar_Guy I plan to have some information at that point.
Jul 05 21:58:22 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 21:58:38 Sonar_Gal 13. # Next update to RESPIN ISOs of FC5.
Jul 05 21:58:38 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jul 05 21:58:38 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Re-Spin Team
Jul 05 21:58:38 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: First Re-Spin release it out dated 2006-May-23, Next release for test is due 3rd week of June. Bob tested i386 and x86_64, both work, will shoot for a snapshot tuesday
Jul 05 21:58:48 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 21:58:53 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 21:59:42 Sonar_Guy To me testing appears to be going good, we should get the re-torrent out then post on the Fedora-Test List once seeded to close whatever testing needs to be completed.
Jul 05 21:59:43 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 22:00:39 Questor !
Jul 05 22:00:44 * Sonar_Gal gives Questor the floor.
Jul 05 22:01:35 Questor I managed to download kanarip's CD-ROM extractions of the 20060621 Re-Spin, and install FC5 on my new computer...
Jul 05 22:01:50 BobJensen !
Jul 05 22:01:58 BobJensen Oops
Jul 05 22:02:33 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 22:02:37 Questor May need guidance later on what is needed if anything .. and to see if this 5-CD re-spin candidate is even um... wanting to considered by folks in the know here...
Jul 05 22:02:48 Questor That is if you want my contribution as a tester on this thing...
Jul 05 22:02:49 Questor EOF
Jul 05 22:02:55 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 22:03:23 daMaestro !
Jul 05 22:03:34 BobJensen X
Jul 05 22:03:38 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 22:05:13 Sonar_Guy I think at this point the priority should be the PPC ISOs we can focus on the CDs if there is still a need after that, also with task 7 and the introduction of installation servers will there really be a need for cds? We can do a how-to on how to break the DVD ISO down to cds if necessarry?
Jul 05 22:05:15 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 22:05:19 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 22:06:28 daMaestro i am all for the CD release... all that is needed is bandwidth.. lets release them as a public test with a DISCLAIMER "these should work.. if they eat all your cheese don't blame us and get a DVD drive"?
Jul 05 22:06:31 daMaestro EOF
Jul 05 22:06:49 Questor lol
Jul 05 22:06:55 Questor (oops)
Jul 05 22:06:59 BobJensen !
Jul 05 22:07:01 Sonar_Gal lol
Jul 05 22:07:06 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 22:07:32 BobJensen I am 100% against CD respins, we are running behind in testing of the DVD ISOs
Jul 05 22:08:00 Questor !
Jul 05 22:08:08 BobJensen Until we can get the DVDs tested in a couple days we have no good reason to look at CDs IMO
Jul 05 22:08:14 daMaestro !
Jul 05 22:08:17 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 22:08:22 * Sonar_Gal gives Questor the floor.
Jul 05 22:09:02 Questor I would like to make a motion then that we at this time table CD respins until August, since we are already running behind for DVD's for July.
Jul 05 22:09:07 Questor EOF
Jul 05 22:09:11 BobJensen !
Jul 05 22:09:17 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 22:09:54 BobJensen !
Jul 05 22:09:57 BobJensen OOops
Jul 05 22:09:59 Questor !!! Point of order. A motion has been raised. Chair needs to ask if there are any seconds to the motion.
Jul 05 22:10:07 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 22:11:01 Sonar_Gal Questor, I second pushing it til August but the fact is this is not possible til we get the DVD's of 32, 64 and PPC going.
Jul 05 22:11:04 BobJensen I just can vote for any progress on CD respins
Jul 05 22:11:16 BobJensen s/can/can not
Jul 05 22:11:27 Sonar_Guy BobJensen: +1
Jul 05 22:11:32 BobJensen even for tabling an item until next month
Jul 05 22:11:42 BobJensen it is pointless
Jul 05 22:12:01 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 22:12:03 BobJensen we can table until next month but the "talk" and "work" continutes
Jul 05 22:12:18 BobJensen in the mean time the DVDs suffer
Jul 05 22:12:22 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 22:12:38 Sonar_Gal How easy/difficult is it to break the DVD into cd's? Is this something that can be writen up as a post on the torrent site of a how to?
Jul 05 22:13:16 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 22:13:17 Sonar_Guy We can discuss this after the task list is complete and in an open floor discussions. EOF
Jul 05 22:13:43 Sonar_Gal 14. # Test next release for Fedora Unity Re-Spins.
Jul 05 22:13:43 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jul 05 22:13:43 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Test-Team
Jul 05 22:13:43 Sonar_Gal o Ben Williams to Supervise this task. Please communicate with him to see what needs to be done to prevent un-needed overlaps
Jul 05 22:13:43 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: All testing to be completed No later than 2006-JUN-30. Update the testing matrix as you complete a task on the list.
Jul 05 22:13:50 Questor !!! I withdraw my motion.
Jul 05 22:14:39 BobJensen !
Jul 05 22:14:50 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 22:14:51 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 22:14:56 BobJensen Item #13 If I may
Jul 05 22:15:17 Sonar_Gal go ahead
Jul 05 22:15:20 BobJensen I do not want to squash Questors moion about DC re-spins
Jul 05 22:15:58 BobJensen but I think we need to have a discussion about it on the testing list to see if it is even a "good idea" given the resources
Jul 05 22:16:18 BobJensen Can we look at this there?
Jul 05 22:16:21 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 22:16:26 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 22:16:39 Questor +1
Jul 05 22:16:58 BobJensen !
Jul 05 22:17:06 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 22:17:08 Sonar_Guy Once we get the re-torrent out and seeded, we should post on the Fedora-Test List, this may do several things for us increase the number of testers and get the test matrix done for this release. It may alos give us some more resources to assist in looking at the CD re-spin. More testers and seeders means more bandwith and eyes on the respin task.
Jul 05 22:17:11 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 22:17:14 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 22:17:36 BobJensen OK #14, I have no idea where we are at in testing can some one give me a quick overview?
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Jul 05 22:17:45 BobJensen EOF
Jul 05 22:18:24 * BobJensen is afraid if he opens a browser all hell will break loose
Jul 05 22:18:29 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 22:18:42 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 22:18:44 Sonar_Guy Give me a sec. . .
Jul 05 22:19:40 Sonar_Guy current untested Items:
Jul 05 22:19:51 Sonar_Guy Upgrade NFS Testing FC 4 everything (updated) install upgraded with anaconda, to check for trailing packages . Anaconda blacklist works (s-c-mouse removed). 58 pkgs in yum list extras (using install repo only) kanarip (?)
Jul 05 22:19:51 Sonar_Guy
Jul 05 22:19:51 Sonar_Guy N/A
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Jul 05 22:20:06 Sonar_Guy NFS upgrade x86_64
Jul 05 22:20:29 Sonar_Guy dvd full install i386
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Jul 05 22:20:45 Sonar_Guy http ftp install x86_64
Jul 05 22:21:06 Sonar_Guy hard drive install i386
Jul 05 22:21:14 Sonar_Guy any package install i386
Jul 05 22:21:29 Sonar_Guy xen install i386 and x86_64
Jul 05 22:21:30 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 22:21:36 BobJensen !
Jul 05 22:21:56 * Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 05 22:22:04 BobJensen OK things look pretty good then, can we release tomorrow night?
Jul 05 22:22:14 * Sonar_Guy missed vnc install for both.
Jul 05 22:22:22 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 22:22:27 Sonar_Guy !
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Jul 05 22:23:10 * BobJensen would say tonight but needs to finish up on work from last week
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Jul 05 22:24:00 Sonar_Gal Bob eof?
Jul 05 22:24:12 BobJensen Oh sorry
Jul 05 22:24:14 BobJensen Yeah
Jul 05 22:24:15 * Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 05 22:24:16 BobJensen LOL
Jul 05 22:24:25 daMaestro|isBack did i miss anything?
Jul 05 22:24:43 Sonar_Gal daMaestro|isBack, just going over the torrent testing
Jul 05 22:24:45 Sonar_Guy over 90% of the testing is complete with minor issues, no show stoppers. To me this release looks good. No worse than the last release. Hence the reason for posting to the Fedora-Test list, with a post there we may pick up the people needed to fully complete the testing matrix. It would also give us new blood to the testing team that may help towards getting the PPC isos and CD re-spins done with complete testing on the matrix.
Jul 05 22:24:50 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jul 05 22:25:01 daMaestro|isBack Sonar_Gal, thanks... inet lameness here
Jul 05 22:25:11 * daMaestro|isBack is now known as daMaestro
Jul 05 22:25:33 BobJensen Sonar_Guy: +1
Jul 05 22:25:45 Sonar_Gal +1
Jul 05 22:25:58 daMaestro !
Jul 05 22:26:05 * Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 05 22:26:43 daMaestro so .. umm.. what is the deal with the CD isos? i missed it. i am all for releasing a 'public test'.. but I got disconnected before I found the end to the discussion
Jul 05 22:26:45 daMaestro EOF
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Jul 05 22:28:08 daMaestro we can move on.. and recap later
Jul 05 22:28:11 Sonar_Gal ok
Jul 05 22:28:39 Sonar_Gal Bob it looks like tomorrow night for the torrent.
Jul 05 22:28:53 Sonar_Gal and my favorite task. Bob Back up the damned servers
Jul 05 22:29:02 Sonar_Gal # Create back-up of the servers Unity01, Unity02, and Unity03 every sunday after the meeting. Also create a backup prior to any major configuration change.
Jul 05 22:29:02 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: On-Going
Jul 05 22:29:02 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Jul 05 22:29:02 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: Backup, Backup, Backup!!
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Jul 05 22:30:41 Sonar_Gal questor told me he was leaving his dad needs the computer and he was on it.
Jul 05 22:30:52 Sonar_Gal ok anything that needs to be discussed?
Jul 05 22:31:31 Sonar_Guy !
Jul 05 22:31:54 Sonar_Guy Can we discuss the CD-Respin issue now in an open floor format.
Jul 05 22:32:00 EvilBob X
Jul 05 22:32:43 daMaestro i'm all for releasing cds and seeing what the community response is to them.. but i understand everyone elses point(s) about them
Jul 05 22:33:08 * Sonar_Gal now opens the floor for discussion
Jul 05 22:33:24 Sonar_Guy +1 to daMaestro
Jul 05 22:34:22 Sonar_Guy But we alos need to get more people involved so we can support the testing of all the isos, Your talking 4 DVD isos and how many CD ISOs?
Jul 05 22:34:28 Sonar_Guy 10?
Jul 05 22:34:57 Sonar_Guy plus with PPC how many more ISOs does that put on our plate?
Jul 05 22:35:09 daMaestro does anyone have the /. article on hand?
Jul 05 22:35:10 Sonar_Guy Can we test them successfully in a week?
Jul 05 22:35:18 EvilBob I really need to get to work
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Jul 05 22:35:40 Sonar_Guy I am not saying not to do it but we need more support.
Jul 05 22:35:51 EvilBob A lot of the testing overlaps but I do not think we can do it at this time
Jul 05 22:36:05 daMaestro EvilBob, i agree.. _we_ can't do it..
Jul 05 22:36:13 Sonar_Guy Currently look at the matrix we have 4 maybe 5 people doing all the tesing.
Jul 05 22:36:21 daMaestro but i want to make the point that some of the flame on /. was we didn't release cds
Jul 05 22:36:36 daMaestro _however_!!! if we seriously setup install servers..
Jul 05 22:36:40 EvilBob yeah and a flame abotu the lack of PPC also
Jul 05 22:36:50 Sonar_Gal yes that is a big flame
Jul 05 22:36:51 daMaestro i will give up the CD isos in a second
Jul 05 22:36:54 Sonar_Gal ppc
Jul 05 22:37:02 EvilBob but I do not see anyone pushing very hard to make that happen
Jul 05 22:37:11 daMaestro then the CDrom ppl can use the boot.iso
Jul 05 22:37:27 daMaestro i don't have _any_ PPC hardware.. so I am useless
Jul 05 22:38:04 Sonar_Guy Which is where I think we can use methers Idea to gain more support.
Jul 05 22:39:17 Sonar_Guy There are lots of people that post on the Fedora-Test list daily about various archs and issues experienced. Can we get the support we need there?
Jul 05 22:39:46 daMaestro i would expect so.. if we are really doing what the community wants
Jul 05 22:40:26 Sonar_Guy That would be a good forum that is available to us!!
Jul 05 22:41:14 Sonar_Guy I do not think we can get it done for this release with any success but we can for the next release. It takes time and manpower to address issues like this.
Jul 05 22:41:33 daMaestro what .. install servers?
Jul 05 22:41:49 Sonar_Guy No cds and ppc
Jul 05 22:41:53 daMaestro ahh
Jul 05 22:42:46 Sonar_Guy Install servers just take the infrastructure to be inplace. We have one already, I would like to have mine online by the next release, but will have to limit the number of concurrent connections.
Jul 05 22:43:00 Sonar_Guy so as not to overload my servers.
Jul 05 22:43:26 daMaestro yeah.. i have been thinking about setting one up as an http install server on my main server
Jul 05 22:43:47 daMaestro if we had good and reliable install servers... the cdrom only users could do netinstalls using the boot.iso
Jul 05 22:44:01 daMaestro and then i would find cd repins a mute point
Jul 05 22:44:02 Sonar_Guy Right. If they have the bandwidth,
Jul 05 22:44:47 Sonar_Guy You will never satisfy all the people, but if the majority of the people are happy the un-satisfied people draw less attention.
Jul 05 22:45:49 Sonar_Guy There are always going to be people out there on dialup that do not a dvd burner, that is not our issue.
Jul 05 22:46:14 Sonar_Guy They need to upgrade and quit complaining.
Jul 05 22:46:40 daMaestro i wonder if we could slipstream the install with a kickstart or something and build a "respin netinstall CD" that does a flat out minimal install and then have another "install server" torrent that just has the data needed for the slipstream install media
Jul 05 22:47:05 Sonar_Guy possibly, but that seems like a lot of work.
Jul 05 22:47:05 daMaestro s/slipstream install media/install server
Jul 05 22:47:17 Sonar_Guy but it is a good idea.
Jul 05 22:48:32 daMaestro cdrom users will have pretty much nothing to bitch about if we get install servers up and running
Jul 05 22:48:42 Sonar_Guy +1
Jul 05 22:48:51 Sonar_Gal agree there
Jul 05 22:49:21 Sonar_Guy maybe we can get some support from the Fedora Project and the mirrors?
Jul 05 22:50:44 daMaestro i think we should work out how to do it.. and manage it.. and then go to mirrors
Jul 05 22:51:03 Sonar_Guy Sounds like a plan to me.
Jul 05 22:51:42 daMaestro well i can have an install server setup for the next release
Jul 05 22:52:16 Sonar_Guy That is my goal also, What about kanarip did he not setup an install server also?
Jul 05 22:52:26 daMaestro i think he has
Jul 05 22:52:40 Sonar_Guy wonder what stats he has gleaned from that?
Jul 05 22:52:48 daMaestro it is not listed anywhere
Jul 05 22:52:52 daMaestro so i doubt much
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Jul 05 22:54:06 Sonar_Guy daMaestro: as you work out the details feed them back to me on how your doing the server configuration so I can mirror it.
Jul 05 22:54:32 daMaestro i think I am just going to setup vmware server on my main server
Jul 05 22:54:42 daMaestro and build a guest up to do the seeding and install server
Jul 05 22:55:35 daMaestro all i am going to do is mount the ISO in the install dir
Jul 05 22:55:49 daMaestro all you need to do is fix up selinux to allow apache to read the mounted data
Jul 05 22:55:56 Sonar_Guy I guess we can close the meeting and go forth with the installation server mirrors as an idea for resolution for the cd re-spins?
Jul 05 22:56:06 daMaestro +1
Jul 05 22:56:15 * Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close
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