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Meeting Minutes for 4 June 2006
Jun 04 21:00:33 * Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order
Jun 04 21:00:41 * daMaestro runs in circles
Jun 04 21:00:43 * Sonar_Guy crawls out from under his rock!
Jun 04 21:00:58 * Corwyn crawls out from under the desk
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Jun 04 21:01:29 * daMaestro has quit ("food")
Jun 04 21:01:30 Sonar_Gal ping EvilGent
Jun 04 21:01:32 Sonar_Gal later Jon
Jun 04 21:01:40 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:01:50 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:02:03 StillBob Rule 13 Bob needs to be told "Shut UP atleast once a meeting"
Jun 04 21:02:18 * StillBob goes to his corner
Jun 04 21:02:20 Corwyn !
Jun 04 21:02:20 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:02:22 Sonar_Gal Rule 13 is get out of hand get kicked
Jun 04 21:02:28 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:02:35 Corwyn Bob, shut up
Jun 04 21:02:36 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:02:47 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:02:54 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:03:13 Sonar_Guy Ok now that rule 13 is out of the way lets move on to the ever growing task list!!
Jun 04 21:03:14 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:03:21 StillBob +1
Jun 04 21:03:24 Sonar_Gal # Discuss adding a README to the ISO Directory that inclues Fedora Unity HOW-TOs on running SHA1SUM from Windows/Linux and Burning an ISO Image from both Windows/Linux. Both of these HOW-TOs also need to be added to FedoraSolved.Org
Jun 04 21:03:24 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jun 04 21:03:24 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Jun 04 21:03:24 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 21:03:25 Sonar_Gal o NOTES:
Jun 04 21:03:39 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:03:44 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:04:01 * daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) has joined #fedora-unity
Jun 04 21:04:10 StillBob I should have this ready to be added to the torrents page as a content item in the next day or so
Jun 04 21:04:20 Sonar_Gal ok
Jun 04 21:04:29 StillBob there are existing docs on the subject we can use as a base
Jun 04 21:04:34 * daMaestro got inside.. going to log :-) cya..
Jun 04 21:04:41 Sonar_Guy ?
Jun 04 21:04:49 StillBob there will also be a text file for the next reelease
Jun 04 21:05:12 StillBob that we will include with the ISO and SHA1SUM
Jun 04 21:05:23 * StillBob yeilds to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:05:38 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:05:54 Sonar_Guy Can we add it to the current release without too much work.
Jun 04 21:05:58 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:06:02 StillBob No
Jun 04 21:06:20 Corwyn !
Jun 04 21:06:26 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:06:28 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:06:29 StillBob we can not the change in the torrent files would make existing seeds invlid
Jun 04 21:06:48 * StillBob yields to Corwyn and Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:06:56 Corwyn Should be enough to put it on the torrent site for the first current release
Jun 04 21:06:57 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:07:04 StillBob +1
Jun 04 21:07:05 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:08:15 Sonar_Guy Ok, One thing that needs to be addressed with the re-spins is a way for all of the key people to the project to receive the E-mail issues as they come in. Wether that requires bugzilla or another app.
Jun 04 21:08:18 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:08:50 StillBob That will be somethign we can get through the mailing lists once the mailserver is funtional
Jun 04 21:08:58 daMaestro !
Jun 04 21:09:03 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Jun 04 21:09:11 StillBob we will direct mail fromt he site to an admin list for all of us
Jun 04 21:09:15 daMaestro we can use a mailing list or an alias
Jun 04 21:09:16 daMaestro eof
Jun 04 21:09:28 Sonar_Guy +1 to either.
Jun 04 21:09:32 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 21:09:37 Corwyn !
Jun 04 21:09:42 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:09:42 StillBob Any other questions on this task item?
Jun 04 21:09:46 kanarip +1 to a mailing list i can subscribe on
Jun 04 21:09:58 Corwyn point of reference, alias might be the easiest
Jun 04 21:10:00 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:10:11 StillBob I disagree
Jun 04 21:10:38 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:10:39 StillBob an alias would not allow us to communicate in a way to prevent double replies to a querry
Jun 04 21:10:44 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:11:07 Sonar_Guy Lets move on and address this at a later point in time.
Jun 04 21:11:08 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:11:10 * StillBob wonders if he still has the floor or not
Jun 04 21:11:13 Corwyn _1
Jun 04 21:11:17 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 21:11:43 StillBob Item 1 closed for now?
Jun 04 21:11:46 * Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred@68-191-3-045.dhcp.rdfr.va.charter.com) has joined #fedora-unity
Jun 04 21:11:55 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:11:59 Sonar_Gal +1 Item 1 closed for now
Jun 04 21:12:59 * Sonar_Guy shows the link to the task list so everybody is on the same page http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/task-list
Jun 04 21:13:05 Sonar_Gal # Discuss the option to list FedoraSearch.Org on 20 Major Search Engines via ListingCorp.com.
Jun 04 21:13:05 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jun 04 21:13:05 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Andrea Glaser
Jun 04 21:13:05 Sonar_Gal * NOTES:
Jun 04 21:13:15 Southern_Gentlem sorry i am late
Jun 04 21:13:47 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:14:17 Sonar_Gal I recieved the form for $65 we can register Fedorasearch on 20 of the top search engines.
Jun 04 21:14:20 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:14:40 StillBob I have a dislike of most of these "list your site" outfits mostly because in my experience they do not work as advertized
Jun 04 21:14:53 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:14:56 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 21:15:01 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 21:15:11 Southern_Gentlem google we crawl for free
Jun 04 21:15:17 Corwyn ?
Jun 04 21:15:18 Southern_Gentlem will
Jun 04 21:15:20 StillBob +1
Jun 04 21:15:24 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 21:15:42 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:15:52 * daMaestro leaves
Jun 04 21:16:09 Sonar_Gal Southern_Gentlem, are you done?
Jun 04 21:16:18 Southern_Gentlem i think all we have to do to start promoteing fedora search in the fedora channel and the word of mouth will be enoug
Jun 04 21:16:23 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 21:16:28 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:16:45 Corwyn what benefit would we get from listcorp.com?
Jun 04 21:16:53 kanarip !
Jun 04 21:16:55 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:18:16 Sonar_Gal As far as I am concerned we can crawl on Google I just wanted to pass on the stuff Fedorasearch is getting. They say they run your search on 20 of the top search engines but we can not really prove it.
Jun 04 21:18:29 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:18:32 StillBob I would lke to table this item for 60days and see what we can do in that time just getting on the real search engines ourselves, New task item for next week, "Start working on submittions to google and company"
Jun 04 21:18:44 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:18:52 Southern_Gentlem +1
Jun 04 21:19:04 Corwyn StillBob: +1
Jun 04 21:19:33 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:19:43 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 21:19:48 kanarip In my line of work I have experienced that these listing companies work in a way that is 'unfair', though still legitimate: link websites on other well known websites, with the use of 'hidden' links. They'll probably require you to link some other sites using hidden links as well.
Jun 04 21:19:51 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 21:20:27 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:20:35 StillBob We will want to generate a list of what we feel are the top 10 search engines including providing the team a link to how you submit
Jun 04 21:20:49 StillBob that will get us started
Jun 04 21:20:52 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:21:53 Sonar_Gal # Discuss the adding download mirrors for the Re-Spins.
Jun 04 21:21:54 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jun 04 21:21:54 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server Team
Jun 04 21:21:54 Sonar_Gal * NOTES:
Jun 04 21:21:59 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:22:10 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:22:24 StillBob kanarip has offered to help with providing direct downloads of our ISOs
Jun 04 21:22:37 Southern_Gentlem google http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34397&topic=8523
Jun 04 21:22:55 * Kamandag (n=Kamandag@mail.umcit.com) has joined #fedora-unity
Jun 04 21:22:59 StillBob I like how BT is working but I do know that we are leaving some people out that can not use BT
Jun 04 21:23:10 StillBob is this really an issue?
Jun 04 21:23:15 StillBob I do not know
Jun 04 21:23:18 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:23:28 kanarip !
Jun 04 21:23:31 Corwyn ?
Jun 04 21:23:36 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 21:24:12 kanarip i think the extra of having http and ftp mirrors is usefull for people that want to have network installations available, as well as people that have no BT
Jun 04 21:24:14 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 21:24:22 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:24:29 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:24:58 Corwyn how long will it take to get the iso's to another server for posting once they're made and who will maintain them there?
Jun 04 21:24:59 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:25:09 kanarip !
Jun 04 21:25:14 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:25:29 StillBob The project it self does not have the resources to provide downloads on a widespread basis via http or ftp
Jun 04 21:25:40 StillBob that is just fact
Jun 04 21:26:00 StillBob I would have been shot for moving that much data in the last 3 days
Jun 04 21:26:04 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:26:06 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 21:26:11 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:26:18 kanarip there are several ways to get the iso's updated at the remote end, like rsync pull, ftp push, i think you should choose your way
Jun 04 21:26:46 kanarip in addition to StillBob's comment, i do also not have the resources to deliver you complete http or ftp mirroring, but it is a start
Jun 04 21:26:47 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 21:26:54 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:27:02 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:27:03 StillBob Also with the limited lives of our re-spins is it really practical to to have the ISOs mirrored?
Jun 04 21:27:12 StillBob they only live for a month
Jun 04 21:27:21 kanarip !
Jun 04 21:27:22 StillBob then we kill them with a new release
Jun 04 21:27:26 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:27:30 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:27:31 Corwyn !
Jun 04 21:28:09 Sonar_Guy Have we approached the Project or Livna about getting it mirrored on their sites? I know it is asking a lot but it may be possible, also approaching the mirros themselves may be an option.
Jun 04 21:28:11 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:28:23 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 21:28:26 StillBob !!
Jun 04 21:28:26 kanarip people will want or need updated ISO files as long as you provide them, whether you update them every day, or once a month, EOF
Jun 04 21:28:38 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:29:04 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 21:29:28 Corwyn Although I agree this is a good idea, with the TTL of the iso's, it seems to me to be alot of work for just a month's availability, I say we don't move on this at this time.
Jun 04 21:29:29 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:29:31 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:29:49 StillBob We are getitng support from Livna now with BT, we may be getting added support from FedoraProject.org once I get in touch with Seth Vidal I do not yet know what that will include
Jun 04 21:30:19 StillBob I say we table this until after our July Release and look at it again
Jun 04 21:30:25 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:30:25 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 21:30:28 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 21:30:30 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 21:30:34 kanarip +1, ffs :)
Jun 04 21:31:14 Southern_Gentlem at this point i think we keep respin + -1 at the most, then we hold the the old respin iso for a week till we get feedback that there is something wrong with the new respin
Jun 04 21:31:43 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:31:54 Southern_Gentlem +1 on tabling till after we get the july respin out
Jun 04 21:33:14 * Corwyn kicks Gent's chair (eof dude)
Jun 04 21:33:14 Sonar_Gal Southern_Gentlem, done?
Jun 04 21:33:21 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 21:33:26 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:33:27 Southern_Gentlem sorry
Jun 04 21:33:45 StillBob We will not be killing the old torrents right away, we will have to provide some overlap I was thinking 4 days? Is it enough? Is 7 enough or too many?
Jun 04 21:33:57 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:34:04 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:34:05 Corwyn ?
Jun 04 21:34:11 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:34:15 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 21:34:55 Sonar_Guy I do not think it is needed, but that is me. The release will be tested prior to official relase and keep both sets of images will only confuse the issue.
Jun 04 21:34:56 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:34:58 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:35:11 StillBob +1/2
Jun 04 21:35:20 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:35:26 Corwyn can the server and the bandwidth handle 7 days? if so that's reasonable.
Jun 04 21:35:27 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:35:32 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 21:35:33 kanarip !
Jun 04 21:35:56 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:36:06 Southern_Gentlem i am not saying serve the old iso, just old them in case for 7 days if we have room
Jun 04 21:36:07 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 21:36:36 Corwyn Southern_Gentlem: +1
Jun 04 21:36:41 Sonar_Gal I believe it the old release should be held but not available for download once the new release comes out as it will be tested prior to release
Jun 04 21:36:42 Sonar_Guy X
Jun 04 21:36:50 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:36:53 StillBob Sonar_Guy: I was thinking about those that have a partial download at the time of release, we do ont want to cut them off IMO ALso some of our seeds do not have the disk space for more than one or two ISOs
Jun 04 21:37:18 StillBob So al these thigns come in to play
Jun 04 21:37:28 Sonar_Gal then pull all the ISO's 12-24 hours prior to the new release
Jun 04 21:37:29 StillBob I say we just see how it goes
Jun 04 21:37:42 StillBob Sonar_Gal: Hey that is an idea
Jun 04 21:37:48 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 21:37:51 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:37:52 Southern_Gentlem stop the link on the website
Jun 04 21:37:59 StillBob Sonar_Gal: What if we pulled them when we start the final test?
Jun 04 21:38:17 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 21:38:18 StillBob Sonar_Gal: that woudl then free up our bandwidth
Jun 04 21:38:24 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 21:38:27 kanarip table this as StillBob suggested, because you'll need the actual mirror admins to agree on retention times and disk space, as well as bandwidth utilization
Jun 04 21:38:30 StillBob for getitng it out to our seeds and testers?
Jun 04 21:38:35 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:38:38 Sonar_Guy Have the isos on the torrents but not available for download unless there is an issue.
Jun 04 21:38:58 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 21:39:09 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:39:23 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:39:57 Sonar_Guy Cut the feed 24 hours before the new release and allow those downloading to finish before we start the new release. Also we need to keep the seeders informed via a mailing list!! MAILING LIST just keeps coming to the top of our discussions.
Jun 04 21:39:58 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:40:00 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 21:40:25 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 21:40:33 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:40:35 StillBob I think we should all think about "the life of the torrents" issue until next week, lets get it added as an item for us to talk about.
Jun 04 21:40:59 StillBob Maybe we have a better idea by then
Jun 04 21:41:03 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:41:04 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 21:41:11 kanarip !
Jun 04 21:41:16 Southern_Gentlem ++1
Jun 04 21:41:26 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 21:41:48 kanarip you'ld never need to cut off a feed other then the original one, because in some way you don't care whether other feeds still provide an old release, right?
Jun 04 21:41:48 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 21:42:25 Southern_Gentlem +1
Jun 04 21:42:28 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:42:44 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:42:48 StillBob We will be killing them at the tracker
Jun 04 21:43:09 StillBob others acan still serve the cruft but it will die sooner or later
Jun 04 21:43:15 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:43:23 kanarip !
Jun 04 21:43:29 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 21:43:30 kanarip agreed, such would kill new downloaders, but keep current downloaders intact, right?
Jun 04 21:43:32 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 21:43:44 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 21:43:48 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 21:43:52 StillBob +1
Jun 04 21:43:56 kanarip +1
Jun 04 21:43:59 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:44:08 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:44:09 * kanarip has no idea whether he has a vote, though
Jun 04 21:44:21 Southern_Gentlem kanarip, yep you
Jun 04 21:44:25 Southern_Gentlem do
Jun 04 21:44:32 kanarip thanks, then :)
Jun 04 21:44:34 Sonar_Gal kanarip, your in here you have a vote
Jun 04 21:44:39 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:44:40 StillBob X
Jun 04 21:44:48 Sonar_Gal that's why this is community driven site
Jun 04 21:44:57 Sonar_Guy The beauty of it is we can with Plone set the stuff to expire when we want it and no longer be available on the site, that would allow the current downloaders to finish un-interrupted.
Jun 04 21:44:59 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:45:16 * Southern_Gentlem gets hammer out for Sonar_Guy fingers
Jun 04 21:45:18 StillBob Sonar_Guy: +1
Jun 04 21:45:26 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 21:45:28 kanarip +1
Jun 04 21:45:30 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 21:45:34 Southern_Gentlem NEXT
Jun 04 21:45:38 kanarip +1
Jun 04 21:45:48 Sonar_Gal # Discuss the translating the various Fedora Unity sites to other Languages.
Jun 04 21:45:48 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jun 04 21:45:48 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Translation Team
Jun 04 21:45:48 Sonar_Gal * NOTES:
Jun 04 21:45:57 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:46:06 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:46:18 * Kamandag has quit (No route to host)
Jun 04 21:46:19 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:46:21 StillBob I like this idea, we can set up es.<domain>
Jun 04 21:46:32 StillBob for spanish and so on
Jun 04 21:47:02 StillBob We just have to make sure we have our ducks in a row first, i do not think we can do it this month
Jun 04 21:47:19 Corwyn ?
Jun 04 21:47:20 StillBob but it SHOULD be in our long term goals
Jun 04 21:47:24 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:47:26 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 21:47:26 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:47:27 Sonar_Guy I think that we also need to determine and post what members are on what team, I.E. Translation Team, Server Team, Content Team. So that users can Identify who is on the actual teams.
Jun 04 21:47:29 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:47:42 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:48:13 Corwyn are there tools for translating intelligibly or will we need people to do the work? If we need people, do we have them?
Jun 04 21:48:14 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:48:24 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 21:48:25 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:48:27 Southern_Gentlem makes motion to push this to sept
Jun 04 21:48:37 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 21:48:46 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:48:51 Corwyn -1
Jun 04 21:48:53 * Kamandag (n=Kamandag@mail.umcit.com) has joined #fedora-unity
Jun 04 21:49:02 kanarip +0
Jun 04 21:49:18 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:49:20 Corwyn <<oops +0)
Jun 04 21:49:27 StillBob IMO Sept is to long, lets shoot for late July early Aug, see what infrastructure we need to make it practical
Jun 04 21:49:41 Corwyn !
Jun 04 21:49:41 Sonar_Guy X
Jun 04 21:49:43 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 21:49:47 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 21:49:54 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:49:58 StillBob I think we will have tools coming downstream from FP.o
Jun 04 21:50:03 StillBob Hey
Jun 04 21:50:08 StillBob I type slow
Jun 04 21:50:10 Kamandag what's with the X, !, and +1 thing?
Jun 04 21:50:10 Sonar_Gal Sorry Bob
Jun 04 21:50:21 Corwyn if we are going to do this, and we need people that speak the language, then we need to start dealing with it now to start recruiting.
Jun 04 21:50:22 Kamandag is this a meeting or something?
Jun 04 21:50:23 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:50:24 Sonar_Gal Kamandag, http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/fedora-unity-project-meeting-guidelines
Jun 04 21:50:30 Sonar_Gal Kamandag, yes
Jun 04 21:50:42 StillBob these translation tools from FP.o will help us as they get thier plone site ready for public
Jun 04 21:50:54 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:51:03 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 21:51:12 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:51:20 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 21:51:38 Sonar_Guy !!
Jun 04 21:52:19 Southern_Gentlem at this point i really dont see people having time to devote to this untill july at the earliest
Jun 04 21:52:27 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 21:52:30 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:52:32 StillBob As part of the Docs Steering Committee and working on the release notes I will know in the next two test releases how translation should work from the Fedora Project example
Jun 04 21:52:57 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:53:05 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:53:05 Sonar_Guy Everybody needs to keep in mind that September we will be gearing up for FC6!!
Jun 04 21:53:05 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:53:55 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:54:09 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:54:38 Sonar_Guy It would be nice if all of our content was ready to roll for the release of FC6. Most of it can be worked out while running the Test Releases, so that would be really nice.
Jun 04 21:54:40 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:54:52 Southern_Gentlem -1
Jun 04 21:54:56 StillBob +1
Jun 04 21:55:08 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:55:21 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:55:29 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:55:36 StillBob as with the FC5 release I will see to it that what can be ready on day 0 is ready
Jun 04 21:55:47 StillBob Just like we did for FC5
Jun 04 21:55:57 StillBob On release day we have the info out there
Jun 04 21:56:15 StillBob no need ot wait a week or a month like with FF.o
Jun 04 21:56:21 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 21:56:24 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:57:11 Sonar_Guy I for one thing we should be Proactive no Reactive, the content should be ready for release on the day of release. Look what happens with FedoraFaq.org it takes me almost have the life cycle of the release to get updated. That to me is Unacceptable. We want the content out there on release Day!!
Jun 04 21:57:14 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:57:33 StillBob +1
Jun 04 21:57:40 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 21:57:40 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 21:57:41 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 21:57:48 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 21:57:52 kanarip +1
Jun 04 21:58:02 Southern_Gentlem i agree that the way fedorafaq isnt desireable at all
Jun 04 21:58:10 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 21:58:19 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 21:58:23 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 21:58:27 Corwyn !!!
Jun 04 21:58:29 Southern_Gentlem but we have gotten off topic
Jun 04 21:58:40 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 21:58:43 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 21:58:56 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 21:59:00 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:59:04 Corwyn move that we see what Bob finds out and put table this til next week where we can get further information
Jun 04 21:59:05 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 21:59:11 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 21:59:25 Sonar_Guy Another thing to tie this into is that the readme needs to be translated also into the most common languages.
Jun 04 21:59:26 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 21:59:29 StillBob !
Jun 04 21:59:33 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 21:59:43 StillBob Sorry for the doble !
Jun 04 22:00:06 Sonar_Gal lol
Jun 04 22:00:10 StillBob We will not know enough about translation until after T2
Jun 04 22:00:32 StillBob at that point we can look at if it is something we want to tackle IMO
Jun 04 22:00:39 StillBob Not really before
Jun 04 22:00:43 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:00:45 Corwyn !!!
Jun 04 22:00:51 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 22:01:14 Corwyn correct motion: move to table this until after T2
Jun 04 22:01:14 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 22:01:21 StillBob +!
Jun 04 22:01:22 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 22:01:24 StillBob +1
Jun 04 22:01:35 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 22:01:38 Sonar_Gal +1
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Jun 04 22:02:07 Sonar_Guy I think as a work-around we can put a link on each page that take the user to google translate. For what good that is!!
Jun 04 22:02:09 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 22:02:26 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:02:31 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:02:40 StillBob can we table the next item for next week?
Jun 04 22:02:44 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:02:46 Sonar_Guy +!
Jun 04 22:02:47 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 22:02:48 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 22:03:03 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 22:03:11 * StillBob thinks this meeting is running long
Jun 04 22:03:30 PaulWay[w] Stupid question - what's the Fedora Unity project about?
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Jun 04 22:03:52 Sonar_Gal PaulWay[w], Fedoraunity.org
Jun 04 22:03:56 PaulWay[w] I've read the website and I had no idea the 'community' needed 'uniting'.
Jun 04 22:04:00 * Southern_Gentlem points PaulWay[w] to fedoranity.org
Jun 04 22:04:00 StillBob PaulWay[w]: we are having a meeting right now, please see our site
Jun 04 22:04:05 PaulWay[w] Sorry.
Jun 04 22:04:09 PaulWay[w] Will butt out again :-)
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Jun 04 22:04:16 Sonar_Gal # Poll current contributors as to where they see themselves in the Unity Project now (what thier duties are) and what they want to learn and do in addition.
Jun 04 22:04:16 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-01
Jun 04 22:04:16 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: All Unity Members
Jun 04 22:04:16 Sonar_Gal * NOTES:
Jun 04 22:04:40 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:05:14 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:05:33 StillBob Push please Items 5-7
Jun 04 22:05:40 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:05:44 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 22:05:56 Sonar_Guy X
Jun 04 22:05:58 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 22:06:10 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 22:06:17 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:06:25 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:06:39 StillBob Push that the FF item be covered out of the meeting or in a special meeting
Jun 04 22:06:48 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:06:59 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 22:07:12 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 22:07:26 Sonar_Guy How about we discuss this wednesday at 2030 est as we did with the press release last week.
Jun 04 22:07:27 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 22:08:14 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 22:09:26 Southern_Gentlem +1
Jun 04 22:09:50 Sonar_Gal # FedoraSearch.Org discuss weighting for the index.
Jun 04 22:09:50 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-JUN-04
Jun 04 22:09:50 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server Team
Jun 04 22:09:50 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: The "Goo" rank that we use now takes the links for a given "server" (site) and counts how many times the url is linked to on other sites.. the weight is then added in and divided by the total number of urls on the "server" and this gives us the rank. The serverweight is the amount to add to the calculation to help move the ranks around. We are going to keep the ranking as it is now for 1 month then determine if c
Jun 04 22:09:52 Sonar_Gal hanges need to be made.
Jun 04 22:09:54 Sonar_Gal push til next meeting?
Jun 04 22:10:07 StillBob +1
Jun 04 22:10:25 Sonar_Gal same with 10 & 11
Jun 04 22:10:38 Sonar_Gal # Discuss gathering raw data from search requests to the fedora search engine for the purpose of seeing what peopele are searching. This will give us an idea for new content to post based on the data.
Jun 04 22:10:38 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
Jun 04 22:10:38 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server Team
Jun 04 22:10:38 Sonar_Gal o NOTES:
Jun 04 22:10:38 Sonar_Gal # Discuss options for aquiring hardware to support the respins for FC5.
Jun 04 22:10:40 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
Jun 04 22:10:42 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server Team
Jun 04 22:10:42 StillBob No we need to talk about 11
Jun 04 22:10:44 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: To spin ISOs we need to be running the "target OS". One option is sell servers Unity04 and Unity06, and use the proceeds to get a 64Bit machine that will allow for 64Bit guests. This hardware would be our build mirror, it would have all our files for respins and packaging locally. It would then host some VMs, FC5i386 FC5x86_64, we would retain Unity05 for PPC. We could then test the ISOs on the build machine o
Jun 04 22:10:49 Sonar_Gal n the spot.
Jun 04 22:10:56 Sonar_Gal 9 & 10 sorry
Jun 04 22:11:12 Sonar_Gal copied the wrong one
Jun 04 22:11:15 Sonar_Gal # Discuss options for aquiring hardware to support the respins for FC5.
Jun 04 22:11:16 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
Jun 04 22:11:16 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server Team
Jun 04 22:11:16 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: To spin ISOs we need to be running the "target OS". One option is sell servers Unity04 and Unity06, and use the proceeds to get a 64Bit machine that will allow for 64Bit guests. This hardware would be our build mirror, it would have all our files for respins and packaging locally. It would then host some VMs, FC5i386 FC5x86_64, we would retain Unity05 for PPC. We could then test the ISOs on the build machine o
Jun 04 22:11:17 Sonar_Gal n the spot.
Jun 04 22:11:20 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:11:27 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:11:49 StillBob We need to know what we can do to get this hardware purchased
Jun 04 22:12:28 StillBob How can we get money, are we going outside the group? Do we fund it internally with donations from our pockets?
Jun 04 22:12:39 StillBob I would like to hear ideas
Jun 04 22:12:42 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:12:44 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 22:12:54 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 22:13:19 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 22:13:57 Sonar_Guy I think we need to start looking outside and toward Sponsership or the Project. Since we are doing respins for the Project is there anyway they could provide assistance/hardware support?
Jun 04 22:14:00 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 22:14:11 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 22:14:34 Corwyn !
Jun 04 22:14:50 Southern_Gentlem would like to writeup of specs of desired machine
Jun 04 22:14:52 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 22:15:00 Southern_Gentlem see
Jun 04 22:15:05 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 22:15:19 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:15:27 Corwyn my only concern of sponsorship would be if the sponsor tried to start calling the shots on how we do things
Jun 04 22:15:29 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 22:15:36 StillBob +1
Jun 04 22:15:37 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:15:45 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 22:15:57 StillBob I can have a target idea of what we need with in the hour
Jun 04 22:16:11 StillBob some hardware we have already
Jun 04 22:16:20 StillBob like disks and so on
Jun 04 22:16:44 StillBob mainly we are looking at a Mobo, CPU, ram and PSU
Jun 04 22:16:52 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:16:55 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
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Jun 04 22:17:29 Sonar_Guy By sponsership I mean the thing that Bob hates the most, Ads or Banners to supplement the hardware purchases. Not corporate sponsership, also could be get the project to provide access to a machine to do the build on.
Jun 04 22:17:30 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 22:17:43 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:17:48 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:18:08 StillBob we have a machine to do the build on now
Jun 04 22:18:19 kanarip !
Jun 04 22:18:24 StillBob but it is not public facing
Jun 04 22:18:44 StillBob also it does not allow for testing in a VM
Jun 04 22:18:48 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:18:55 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 22:18:57 kanarip if any, what is a target price? and can it be controlled remotely?
Jun 04 22:18:58 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 22:19:08 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:19:17 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:19:34 StillBob I would like to be well under $1000 USD and it will be public facing
Jun 04 22:19:38 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:19:41 kanarip !
Jun 04 22:19:46 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 22:19:48 kanarip i'm sorry, public facing?
Jun 04 22:19:56 kanarip it's lost in translation
Jun 04 22:19:57 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:20:03 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:20:12 kanarip eof, btw
Jun 04 22:20:22 Sonar_Gal lol
Jun 04 22:20:23 StillBob meaning all the admins can log in to the box and conduct the work
Jun 04 22:20:37 StillBob so remote accessable
Jun 04 22:20:39 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:20:45 kanarip agreed, is a sempron 2500 about enough?
Jun 04 22:20:55 * StillBob pukes
Jun 04 22:20:59 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:21:06 kanarip lol, we're done :)
Jun 04 22:21:10 Sonar_Gal Bob only uses intel
Jun 04 22:21:20 Corwyn same here :)
Jun 04 22:21:24 kanarip but we're talking 64 bit, right?
Jun 04 22:21:27 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:21:34 StillBob We need a machine that will support the host OS and 4 VMs at the least
Jun 04 22:21:45 kanarip !
Jun 04 22:21:59 StillBob So my suggestion is an Pentium D 930 3 Ghz
Jun 04 22:22:35 kanarip ok, great... :/ i have no such machine in my backpocket... EOF
Jun 04 22:22:37 StillBob with a mother board that will support 4 Gigs of Ram, I do have the PSU needed BTW so that can be scratched
Jun 04 22:22:49 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:23:05 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 22:23:41 kanarip i was done at the specs of StillBob, eof
Jun 04 22:23:50 Sonar_Gal ok
Jun 04 22:24:20 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:24:26 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:25:02 StillBob Sonar_Gal: I know we talked about this int he past but can we get a paypal account set up or use an existing one that we can get money moved in to?
Jun 04 22:25:17 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:25:19 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 22:25:22 Sonar_Gal yes I told you that is not a problem
Jun 04 22:25:33 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:25:39 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:25:57 StillBob What do you all think about a "make a gift to Fedora Unity" button?
Jun 04 22:26:05 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 22:26:06 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 22:26:11 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 22:26:15 StillBob we are not non-profit so we can't call it a donation
Jun 04 22:26:22 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 22:26:26 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:26:31 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:26:49 Sonar_Guy What about Google ads tailored to our content? That is also another option in my book!!
Jun 04 22:26:51 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 22:26:52 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 22:26:57 Southern_Gentlem we can call it a donation but but its not a tax deductable donation
Jun 04 22:27:02 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:27:06 Sonar_Gal yeah
Jun 04 22:27:14 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:27:19 StillBob I hate the way google ads slow down sites personally
Jun 04 22:27:46 Corwyn !
Jun 04 22:27:47 StillBob Just my opinion plus will the have links to "bad content"?
Jun 04 22:27:51 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:27:57 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 22:28:10 Corwyn let's move on the paypal thing and get a button on the site linked to it
Jun 04 22:28:12 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 22:28:19 kanarip +1
Jun 04 22:28:24 StillBob +1
Jun 04 22:28:30 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 22:28:34 Sonar_Guy !
Jun 04 22:28:40 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Jun 04 22:28:41 Sonar_Guy NEXT
Jun 04 22:28:42 Sonar_Guy EOF
Jun 04 22:28:46 StillBob +1
Jun 04 22:28:53 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 22:28:59 Sonar_Gal # Create a CVS/SVN mailing list.
Jun 04 22:29:00 Sonar_Gal * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
Jun 04 22:29:00 Sonar_Gal * ASSIGNED: Server Team
Jun 04 22:29:00 Sonar_Gal o NOTES: Mailing list complete, awaiting firewall changes to be implemented.
Jun 04 22:29:01 Southern_Gentlem sleep
Jun 04 22:29:03 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:29:08 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:29:21 StillBob Mail server is on the top of my list "post exam"
Jun 04 22:29:27 Southern_Gentlem !
Jun 04 22:29:39 kanarip !
Jun 04 22:29:52 StillBob so if I do not have it up and working on wednesday night daMaestro and I will go with a simple server on Wednesday
Jun 04 22:29:59 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:30:02 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Jun 04 22:30:04 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 22:30:17 Southern_Gentlem moves rest of items be moved to the next meeting
Jun 04 22:30:43 Southern_Gentlem as time allows
Jun 04 22:30:44 Southern_Gentlem eof
Jun 04 22:30:46 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 22:30:46 Sonar_Guy +1
Jun 04 22:30:49 * kanarip places a red sign in the middle of the table saying: the sun is getting up in Europe, this meeting _is_ taking long ;)
Jun 04 22:30:50 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 22:31:06 StillBob Southern_Gentlem: +1
Jun 04 22:31:45 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 22:31:51 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 22:31:52 Southern_Gentlem +1
Jun 04 22:32:07 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:32:07 kanarip +1 on Southern_Gentlem's
Jun 04 22:32:16 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:32:17 StillBob So home work for next week
Jun 04 22:32:35 StillBob What are you doing in UNity? What teams are you on?
Jun 04 22:32:51 StillBob What other areas do you want to step in to
Jun 04 22:32:56 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:33:19 kanarip !
Jun 04 22:33:23 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 22:33:35 kanarip is this meeting next week at the same time?
Jun 04 22:33:40 StillBob +1
Jun 04 22:33:42 Corwyn yes
Jun 04 22:33:46 Southern_Gentlem a list of what people we think are in would help as well
Jun 04 22:33:54 StillBob Southern_Gentlem: +1
Jun 04 22:33:55 daMaestro !
Jun 04 22:33:58 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 22:34:02 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Jun 04 22:34:06 kanarip monday will be a working day for europeans, i don't think anyone can have a meeting at 3 in the night
Jun 04 22:34:11 kanarip oef
Jun 04 22:34:15 kanarip eof*
Jun 04 22:34:42 daMaestro i would setup a mail system using postfix, the unity domain, dovecot webmail and use ldap to manage the mail accounts
Jun 04 22:34:50 daMaestro oh.. and I am back.. oef
Jun 04 22:34:58 Sonar_Gal lol
Jun 04 22:35:01 daMaestro +would take about 15 minutes
Jun 04 22:35:07 Southern_Gentlem nite
Jun 04 22:35:12 * Southern_Gentlem has quit ("Leaving")
Jun 04 22:35:43 Corwyn ??
Jun 04 22:35:50 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:35:55 kanarip can i take a comment on the point of having meetings in the middle of the night, just before a working day?
Jun 04 22:36:10 Sonar_Gal Bob what about other nights for meetings, foolish, gja and a few others have problems attending also because of Sunday night meetings
Jun 04 22:36:17 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 22:37:19 Corwyn X nm can't type
Jun 04 22:37:24 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:37:27 StillBob Sonar_Gal: I have no problem moving to an alternating sunday afternoon/sunday evening system, other than that Can we put a bow on this with a big "Bob Back up the servers"
Jun 04 22:37:57 StillBob also can we set a hard 1.5 hour limit
Jun 04 22:38:03 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:38:18 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 22:38:21 kanarip !
Jun 04 22:38:24 Sonar_Gal lol Sure if we didn't want any input we could
Jun 04 22:38:28 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to kanarip
Jun 04 22:39:05 kanarip europeans need the meeting to start way, way earlier in the night/evening, or to set on friday / saterday nights, so we can still have some sleep
Jun 04 22:39:07 kanarip EOF
Jun 04 22:39:14 daMaestro !
Jun 04 22:39:15 StillBob !
Jun 04 22:39:25 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Jun 04 22:39:53 daMaestro i also have a conflict about this time on sundays.. just planned family time. so I vote for a look at fixing up the meeting time eof
Jun 04 22:40:12 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to StillBob
Jun 04 22:40:20 StillBob Remember a lot of this will be taken care of before hand once we have the mailing lists up
Jun 04 22:40:23 StillBob EOF
Jun 04 22:40:27 daMaestro !
Jun 04 22:40:32 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Jun 04 22:40:34 kanarip +1
Jun 04 22:40:36 StillBob I know i have been saying tht for months
Jun 04 22:40:41 * StillBob runs
Jun 04 22:40:43 daMaestro StillBob, wanna suck it up and not use that software you want to use?
Jun 04 22:40:44 Sonar_Gal yup
Jun 04 22:40:53 * Sonar_Gal gets the frying pan out
Jun 04 22:41:02 Corwyn let's move on
Jun 04 22:41:05 StillBob daMaestro: twist my arm tonight after you get home
Jun 04 22:41:07 daMaestro StillBob, I would have had it setup if I could set it up how I know what to do and not have that gui management stuff
Jun 04 22:41:11 daMaestro eof
Jun 04 22:41:18 * kanarip grabs a Windows installation CD-ROM and throws it @ StillBob ;)
Jun 04 22:41:24 * rjune steals Sonar_Gal's frying pan
Jun 04 22:41:25 Sonar_Gal What about meetings at like 3 or 4 Sat afternoonsEDT/EST
Jun 04 22:41:40 Corwyn works for me
Jun 04 22:41:41 Corwyn +1
Jun 04 22:41:41 Sonar_Gal rjune, you can't steal it it's chained to my hip
Jun 04 22:41:41 StillBob Sonar_Gal: bad for me whencamping
Jun 04 22:41:57 kanarip that would be, erhm 21:00 CET, 22:00 with daylight saving
Jun 04 22:42:00 StillBob and that is nearly every weekend in the summer
Jun 04 22:42:01 kanarip perfect
Jun 04 22:42:23 Sonar_Gal Bob camp with Wifi
Jun 04 22:42:24 StillBob Ilike the sunday afternoon/evening alternating
Jun 04 22:42:46 Corwyn !!!
Jun 04 22:42:51 * Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
Jun 04 22:43:10 Corwyn move to close the meeting and discuss this afterwards in an open forum
Jun 04 22:43:12 Corwyn eof
Jun 04 22:43:16 Sonar_Gal +1
Jun 04 22:43:19 kanarip +1
Jun 04 22:43:25 daMaestro +1
Jun 04 22:43:28 * Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close.
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